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2012 VW Passat (U.S. version)

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Volkswagen is using today’s Detroit motor show to unveil the new Passat, developed for the United States and set to be manufactured there, in Tennessee, in preparation for a massive sales push this summer.
At 4.868m long, it is just over 10cm longer than the European Passat saloon, a little wider, and the largest car ever to carry that badge.
However, the new US-market Passat is just the start of a product blitz for VW in America, confirmed the company’s US boss, Jonathan Browning.
A large SUV, designed exclusively for America, is at the top of the list of new cars to allow the company hits its US sales targets. Brit-born Browning has aggressive plans to quadruple VW’s US sales to one million cars by 2018.
The company still has no plans to attack the domestic makers with a pick-up truck. “A pick-up is not at the top of our priority list. Not even by importing the Argentina-built Amarok,” he told Autocar.

Unlike Jettas in the US, which get simpler rear suspension set-ups than the European versions, the new American Passat has a multi-link rear suspension that’s similar to the models sold in the UK. Every body panel has been changed, though, and the dashboard, door trims and major switchgear is all new.
The decision to localise production at a facility in Chattanooga, Tennessee, should allow VW to trim several thousand dollars off the starter price. The firm estimates that entry-level variants will cost from $20,000.

Three engines will be offered in the US Passat. The base unit is a 2.5-litre five-cylinder petrol motor producing 168bhp at 5700rpm. With a manual transmission it can take the Passat to 60mph in 8.2sec; the more likely choice for US buyers, a six-speed auto, does the same in 8.7sec.
The other petrol motor is a 3.6-litre six-cylinder unit with 276bhp at 6200rpm and 258lb ft of torque. It gets a DSG dual-clutch gearbox as standard and can reach 60mph in 6.5sec.
The oil-burner option is a 2.0-litre four-cylinder common-rail turbodiesel producing 138bhp. VW claims it can go from 0-60mph in 9.3sec, return 43mpg and travel for around 800 miles on a single tank.

Although the regular Passat saloon has been adapted specifically for American buyers, the CC ‘coupé’ version is considered a success in the US, so it will continue to be sold in its current form.
Expansions for VW in America will not include introducing European brands such as Skoda and Seat. Browning has ruled out either being transferred, on grounds on cost and viability. It's also unlikely that any US-made VW will make its way to Europe, although the new Passat or SUV could be sold in other markets.
 
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I am upset that they are offering the 2.5L engine instead of the 2.0T that the B6 Passat carried....... I was thinking about purchasing this new Passat... but I think I might go with the CC....... I wonder if the new GLI will be any better...
 
#10 ·
So, the world is going to end in 2012.

Looks like after my B5, I'll just be upgrading to a B5.5. No B6, no Jetta looking "Passat" - don't get me wrong though, this was a great look for the Camry when Toyota did it. Booo mediocre, dull, inspired Passat :thumbdown.
 
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Generic looks like shite

Nice Volksyota,

Maybe I'll blend into the square crowd with my HondaSaturnwagen Passat.

I actually like the harsh square lines on the 2012 Passat, but the front and especially the back are weak to say the least....!!!

At least they'll make it in Tennessee. Hopefully it will drive, perform, maintain, and last more like the Nissans rather than the Saturns....

Therefore, my next new car will be an Audi A3 TDI or another Passat B5!!!

Peace in the Mothasucka
 
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Pardon me while I put my flame-retardant suit on....

I see some nice similarities here (the B5 is from Vortex' "Project B5 Basic"). There are some obvious detail differences (lights, hood/A-pillar joint, rub strip) but I have to say that I like the overall shape.

I've never liked any VW sedan since the B5.5 Passat so this is a step in the right direction (for me). If it turns out to be reliable, I can see replacing our Santa Fe with it after I finish school.

And please stop making comparisons to the Camry. That car is hideous. Accord (and the NMS) may be bland but they aren't in the same fell-out-of-the-ugly-tree-and-hit-every-branch-on-the-way-down-league as the current Camry.
 
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Pardon me while I put my flame-retardant suit on....

I see some nice similarities here (the B5 is from Vortex' "Project B5 Basic"). There are some obvious detail differences (lights, hood/A-pillar joint, rub strip) but I have to say that I like the overall shape.

I've never liked any VW sedan since the B5.5 Passat so this is a step in the right direction (for me)...
Agreed (for me adding the Passat CC and the Mk 3 Jetta to the "like" styling list). I don't care for the nose treatment in the pix of this new Passat, but I, too, find the general shape pleasing.

Why oh why isn't the 2.0T/man tran combo available, though? Too little motor or too much isn't a good choice...
 
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The profile isn't too bad but overall, it looks like a Jetta and if you got pissed when people called your B5/B5.5 a Jetta, you're in for it now. The exterior is uninspired, IMO, and the dash smacks more of a B5 than a B6.5.1 .

I dunno... I like the starting price point of ~$20K but really, to get a decently appointed TDI, you'll likely be looking at $30K plus taxes and delivery, pushing it up over $35K. For that money,I'd rather get a Highline Golf TDI wagon OR a CC if I wanted a sedan.

VWoA makes some bold claims, so I'll withold judgement until it gets tested by the media.
 
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Volkswagen has serious plans for its market share here in North America. The automaker hopes to sell 800,000 cars per year in the United States by the year 2018, and it's vehicles like the refreshed 2011 Jetta and this, the all-new 2012 Passat, that will be the bread-winners moving forward.

If your first thought about the Passat's design is "big Jetta," you aren't alone. The last-generation Passat wasn't exactly a looker, but at least it stood out within Volkswagen's lineup. The new Passat honestly and truly looks like a longer, wider, taller Jetta, and the nondescript design language makes it look extremely unforgettable. It isn't bad looking, but it doesn't spark any emotion within us.

Much like the Jetta, the Passat gets a much lower price point for the 2012 model year – base pricing is expected to start around $20,000 when the car goes on sale later this year, some $8,000 below the 2011 model it replaces. Both five- and six-cylinder gasoline engines will be available, as well as a 2.0-liter diesel inline-four (the same engine we enjoy in the Golf and Jetta currently). Interior quality is much better than the dumbed down cabin of the Jetta, though we'd still like slightly more refinement, especially considering how good the interiors of $20K competitors are these days.

We've just returned from checking out the 2012 Passat live at the Detroit Auto Show, so scroll through our high-res gallery of live shots below to see the new car for yourself.
 
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It was very disappointing at first glance, as the front and rear ends are almost identical copies of the new Jetta, and the side profile looks incredibly mediocre and bland -- looks like a slew of other bland cars such as the Chevy Impala (I see it too), first generation Volvo S40, etc.

The interior is nice, though like the Jetta looks like there were some cost cutting in terms of quality of materials (the buttons and knobs are looking more like they came from GM and less like Audi).

But it seems like VW is going back to it's roots in making decent cars at a reasonable price -- the people's car. This Passat starts at $20,000 which is damn good price, and it's clear that VW is doing battle with the likes of Hyundai and Kia.
I remember when a fully loaded Jetta was over $30,000 and a fully loaded Passat was north of $40,000. It's nice that VW is not getting carried away with moving their models too up market, which properly separates them with Audi and clearly makes the CC their flagship sedan.

Sure there are some nice styling details but why does the Jetta and the Passat have to look so bland?
 
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In its quest to become a top-selling car company in the U.S., Volkswagen must win more middle-class American car buyers with the new, redesigned sedan it introduced Monday.Yet the Passat, a bigger and less expensive version of the older model, is jumping into a crowded field, and its looks may not go far enough to help VW steal customers from strong competitors such as the Ford Fusion and Hyundai Sonata.
The German company took the wraps off its revamped car during media previews at North American International Auto Show in Detroit, promising a car that will "change the rules in the midsize segment," according to Jonathan Browning, VW's president and chief executive of the Americas.
The unveiling followed a movie clip featuring cowboys on horseback riding through a western landscape. The message was clear: The Passat must appeal to American tastes and middle-class budgets if the company wants to meet its ambitious goal of tripling overall sales in the U.S. within a decade. VW sold just 360,000 vehicles in the United States last year.
The Passat's unveiling came on the same day car companies at the auto show unveiled a new Honda Civic, Chrysler 300 sedan and the Prius wagon, Toyota's first entry in a planned family of Prius hybrids.
Decades ago, VW captured car buyers' fancy with the iconic Beetle. The new Passat isn't that striking, analysts and executive attending the auto show said.
The Passat, with its sleek but benign lines, looks similar to competitors such as Camry, Accord and Fusion.
Mike Jackson, the CEO of AutoNation Inc., which is the largest auto retailer in the U.S., said the new Passat's styling is too conservative for many buyers. Traditionally, car companies such as Toyota Motor Co. could afford to have bland styling because buyers were more concerned with quality, reliability and high resale value.
Now that all brands have those traits, companies have to differentiate their cars from the pack, he said. "Buyers are asking for styling that is distinctive and recognizable. That's the future."
U.S. sales of the Passat rose 12 percent last year to 12,497. That's a tiny percentage of the sales of competing sedans according to numbers compiled by Autodata Corp. Toyota's Camry was the top selling sedan in the U.S. last year. Sales were 327,804, despite an 8 percent drop from 2009.
"It is a bit of a gamble because of very good competition," analyst Jesse Toprak, a vice president at TrueCar.com, said of the Passat.
The Passat offers a competitive price for its size. It's expected to go on sale later this year at about $20,000, about $7,000 cheaper than current models built in Germany and nearly matching the price of rivals Fusion, Camry, Accord and Sonata.
Volkswagen will make the new Passat at its $1 billion Chattanooga, Tenn., plant -- the company's first U.S. assembly plant since it closed its New Stanton, Pa., plant in 1988 following disappointing sales.
Volkswagen executives said the Chattanooga plant, which is hiring about 2,000 employees and could create as many as 10,000 spin-off jobs, was a key part of its U.S. plan. By building cars in the U.S. and buying parts locally, the car company can cut transportation costs while insulating VW against currency fluctuations between the U.S. dollar and the Euro.
The company also benefits from lower labor costs in the U.S. compared with Germany, and a new plant whose production costs are lower. Toprak said the labor cost of producing Passats in Tennessee is about one-third that of Germany, based on a comparison of hourly wages.
Beyond price, other Passat selling points for the U.S. buyers are its size. It's four inches longer and one inch wider than the current version. And it's gas mileage is an estimated at 43 miles per gallon on the highway for a diesel version, 32 mpg for a 2.5-liter traditional gas engine and 28 mpg for a 3.6-liter.
Even with competitive pricing and fuel efficiency, the Passat faces rivals with momentum. Ford Fusion's sales rose 21 percent in 2010 to 219,219. Sales of the Chevrolet Malibu climbed 23 percent to 198,770.
South Korea's Hyundai deftly picked up market share during the economic recession, helped by the revamped midsize Sonata, which sold nearly 200,000 units in 2010, an increase of more than 60 percent compared with 2009. The Sonata's success -- because of styling and price -- makes Volkswagen's task even more challenging, analysts said.
"The likelihood of Volkswagen being able to come in and do a Hyundai -- pick up a lot of share quickly -- is going to be more difficult," said Jeremy Anwyl, CEO of car website Edmunds.com.
Anwyl said VW could distinguish itself in the marketplace by highlighting its German heritage of high-end engineering and handling. But he questioned whether those characteristics would appeal to the bulk of midsize car shoppers, who tend to be more risk averse and value reliability and value.
Browning said that the Passat would give American buyers features such as remote start, premium audio systems and climate control -- unusual standard features for that price.
Volkswagen predicts industry wide auto sales in the United States will grow to about 13 million cars and trucks in 2011 and about 15 million vehicles annually in the next few years. That's up from 11.6 million vehicles last year and the growth will give VW an opportunity to gain share in the United States.
Volkswagen sold about 360,000 vehicles in the U.S. in 2010, a 3 percent increase over the previous year, and has outlined ambitious plans to sell 1 million vehicles in the U.S.
VW now has about 600 dealerships in the U.S., and spokesman Kerry Christopher said the company doesn't see an immediate need to increase that number. But Toprak said the company would need to increase its dealer network by a "couple hundred," particularly in middle America, if its sales grow as forecasted.
Volkswagen said Monday that its global sales rose by 13.5 percent in 2010 as demand in China and the U.S. helped drive deliveries above 7 million units for the first time. Toyota, which has been the global leader in sales, has not released 2010 figures. However, the company sold 7.81 million vehicles worldwide in 2009.
 
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Nice to see that the hand brake is back. I wonder what that compartment below and to the left of the steering wheel is for? Why didn't VW show a picture of the engine? Are they too embarrassed?

Looks like projector headlights are out.:mad:

NO WAGON?:mad:
 
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Nice to see that the hand brake is back. I wonder what that compartment below and to the left of the steering wheel is for? Why didn't VW show a picture of the engine? Are they too embarrassed?
Fuses, probably.

Looks like projector headlights are out.:mad:

NO WAGON?:mad:
There is a Euro wagon (below). Hopefully only a matter of time (another year?) before they introduce a NA wagon. If you recall, there was a year lag between introduction of the B6 sedan and wagon.

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