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Yet another f#$ing tranny question

1.4K views 9 replies 6 participants last post by  Mister T  
#1 ·
Greetings People,

Around three months ago, the dealership replaced the fluid, valve body, filter in the tranny. I bought the extended 100k warranty at the dealership & was supposed to have the tranny replaced when I brought it in @ 98k & change for servicing (At this point I had been having problems with it that had been documented: jumping/slamming into gear when given gas, slamming into gear while backing up.)
I had been given back the car with no fluid/filter change and was told that the existing fluid was burnt & that to replace everything now would only invite more problems. I explained to everyone involved that I had the extended warranty & that this was covered under it, but to no avail. After some not so subtle threats, they finally agreed to replace what I listed above at no charge to me. Fast-forward to now & the same problems are popping up again. I just gave the car back & was told they'd look at it.

A number of people here have informed me that the problem is the torque converter and that these other problems are ancillary to that. IS THIS TRUE? & if so, can anyone send me something concrete so I can present it to the service manager. He was pretty helpful the last time, but he heard I was bringing the car back in with the same problems and according to a friend in the parts dept who overheard the conversation, the guy said something along the lines of, "How did this problem come back? Well what in the hell can we do to make this go away with a minimum of fuss?"
Can anyone help?

CB
 
#2 ·
i can't guild you, but tell you what happen to me.

I had a 1998 ford tauras and the tranny fall out. I spend about 1200.00 to rebuild the tranny at a tranny shop and the car never drove right. Slamming, bouncing, hard shifts, etc... I ended up getting a passat. :)

Might want to call VWoA to see what options with the company you have. meaning, start working on a plan B.
 
#3 ·
The short answer is yes, it could be your TC causing the problems. The stock TC's on the ZF trannies are garbage. First, they have a bronze bushing connecting the TC to the transmission pump (input shaft). This bushing wears down over time and finally breaks. Sending shrapnel into the tranny and, boom! Rebuild time. Second they use rubber seals which degrade over time and result in TC slippage and failure http://www.articlesbase.com/cars-ar...a4-and-a6-torque-converter-problems-zf5hp19fl-and-fla-transmissions-350850.html . Third, there is a mode known as pulse-width modulation or PWM. PWM means that a solenoid similar to an N75 is used to modulate TC lockup. This PWM mode allows for up to 510 rpm of TC clutch slip in order to smooth shifts. However, this also burns the clutches out. My recommendation is to replace your TC and fluid. Check these guys out http://www.importperformancetrans.com/volkswagonauto.shtml They make performance converters for $695 that are bulletproof. I have one and so far it's stood up well. The long of the answer is that the TC failure could have resulted in slippage of your transmission bands and clutch packs. If there was too much slippage it could mean that the bands and clutch packs are glazed and need replacing. Again, try the new TC and fluid (I use redline D4 as it's synthetic and stands up to heat better) before you commit to a whole scale rebuild. Hope this helps.
 
#6 ·
mister T...you're going down a bunny trail and at the end is this guy spending mad money to get it repaired.

ZF transmission are EXCELLENT transmissions. Their torque converters are like every other torque converter out there(minus what the w8 guys have). As for the brass bushing, there is one on the front pump but as long as the torque converter is installed correctly...there will never be a problem from it.(ask me how I know...I fucked up a transmission by installing the tc improperly)

Anyway. Tell them to use VAGCOM to datalog the what the vehicle speed sensor is putting out and the transmissions speed sensor is getting and you will be able to see if the torque converter is slipping.
 
#8 ·
mister T...you're going down a bunny trail and at the end is this guy spending mad money to get it repaired.

ZF transmission are EXCELLENT transmissions. Their torque converters are like every other torque converter out there(minus what the w8 guys have). As for the brass bushing, there is one on the front pump but as long as the torque converter is installed correctly...there will never be a problem from it.(ask me how I know...I fucked up a transmission by installing the tc improperly)
If you actually read my post you will note that I make no mention of the ZF transmission itself being faulty or poorly made. In fact they are quite robust transmissions and the internals themselves rarely fail. So what's responsible for most of the failures? Hmmmm... Oh yeah! The POS stock VW torque converter. If the guy doesn't rule it out and the TC is the culprit then eventually his tranny will blow and he will be paying $4000 for a rebuild and $695 for the TC he could have bought in the first place that may have prevented it. Also, if you want to ask me how I know about the bronze bushing failing it's because my TC engagement was getting progressively worse and worse until my tranny spit out said bushing and I ended up paying $4000 for a rebuild.
 
#10 ·
From what I recall I used block 007 (it should list input and output RPM's) on the transmission module (02) What I did was find a stretch of highway and put it in 4th (it should be in direct 1:1 drive) then I went into VAG-SCOPE and checked to see how much deviation there was between the two lines (input and output) if you are seeing large separations between the lines under load then the TC is likely slipping.