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When idle, temp at 190*. On highway, temp drops to near minimum.

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#1 ·
Hello,

Anyone think my thermostat is stuck open?
I'm not sure b/c:
- still get hot air coming out of the air vents into the cabin;
- when I sit idle for 5 minutes, temp gauge slowly increases to the middle 190*.

2002 Passat 1.8T
100,000 miles

During this winter in zero to 30-degree weather, after driving for 20 minutes and I idle for 5 minutes, temp slowly increases to the middle 190-degrees.

Then when I get on the highway, temp slowly drops to ~110 near minimum and stays there.
The air vent still blows out hot air, even when temp shows 110.
Then I get off the highway and stop for 5 minutes - temp increases to the middle 190.

Seems when I drive, the cold air is cooling the engine.
This happens each day I drive to work for at least a month now.

Just 2 weeks ago, got P1296 cooling system malfunction check engine light once when the engine temp showed 110.
I sat idle for 5 minutes for temp to move to the middle 190. Turned off the engine and restarted few times, then the check engine light turned off.
Check engine light has not come back.

Coolant level is good.
The water pump was replaced with the timing belt at 95,000 miles.
Coolant temperature sensor replaced last weekend, but behavior has not changed.
Car mileage is still good at 28 mpg this winter.

It could be the thermostat, but not sure.

If the thermostat is stuck open, does it hurt the car?
In the summer, I’m guessing it won’t overheat.
I don’t want to spend $400 to replace the thermostat if I really don’t need to.

Thank your for your advice!
 
#2 ·
Thermostat. It's worn out. Get a new one.

Can you do "basic hand tools?" If you can, and your fingers are fairly nimble, there's no reason to spend $400 to replace it. I've done an AWM thermostat without removing anything (except the belly panel - and, that's only to be able to catch the coolant that you'll dump) from the vehicle - just need a long extension, a swivel socket (10 or 11mm, I forget), a good light, and a steady hand.

Damage possible? To your MPGs, definitely. Engine, possibility of some increased wear, because the oil won't get up to temp (and, therefore, can't burn condensed water out of itself.)
 
#3 ·
Yes, it can hurt the car, due to the sludge which is more likely to form in the oil due to water not being boiled off, as cuppie alluded to. The 1.8 is already prone to trouble with sludge/coking, so why encourage it? Cuppie also mentioned the MPG, which will suffer because the ECU will always be running the fuel injectors in warm-up mode, which will over time contaminate the oil with un-burned fuel, plus the catalytic converter will be running hot dealing with the extra gas. A Behr 87* thermostat is just over $13 at autohausaz as an example, and not a big deal to change. Now if you had a 2.8 V6, that would be another story!
 
#7 ·
I second Hirnbeiss

I have read many times that the temperature gauge isn't all that accurate in our Passat's. Might want to make sure the actual temp reading is correct before jumping into a thermostat replacement. Could be the thermostat or the new CTS could be faulty.

I was just in Ill this past weekend. Nice city :thumbup:
 
#8 ·
I also say temp sensor. Have you put your hand around the engine to see if it is Hot at all? How about the coolant hoses, mainly the lower radiator hose. If the thermostat is working it should be warm. Just does not seem right that you are getting heat in the cabin with the temp reading so low.
TomK
 
#9 ·
I'm in the CTS theory. The engine is going to get hot, that's a given, is it getting cooler because of the colder weather, yes but marginally.

IIRC the CTS does two things, sends temp readings to the computer but also sends a signal to the temp gauge in the dash. They are one but separate. The CTS isn't a totally accurate reading, meaning the dash says 190 but the actual temp can be more or less but it is within range of the sensor. The part sending to the gauge on the dash can go nuts. The CTS part that communicates with the computer is working correctly otherwise you would have starting issues. It is very possible the CTS you put in was bad, happens all the time especially with replacement parts (and even parts straight from the factory, had Jeep in the 1990''s that did the same with right off the showroom floor).

Is it going to "hurt the car"? I personally don't believe so, the thermostat and CTS to computer are working properly just he sending unit to the gauge isn't quite right. If you were overheating then yes that would be an issue. I would obviously still replace it because the anxiety of seeing that gauge fluctuate can be unnerving. I bought a 1984 Ford F150 off CL for $500 4 years ago and the temp gauge read 0* for 2 years before I fixed it. Still runs today.