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weird cold start issue - no 'autochoke' below 4ºC (39ºF)

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#1 ·
I've searched and read and read some more but couldn't find anything conclusive. This issue has been bugging me for the past cpl weeks and my attempts at resolving it have so far been fruitless. So, here's to hoping the veterans can help.

I acquired my 2003 1.8t fwd only a few months ago so I'm not sure if this is an older 'problem' or if it just started.

Since the nights started getting colder, any time the car sits for 10 or more hours in temperatures below 4ºC (39ºF), there is no 'autochoke' on startup - meaning there seems to be no air/fuel adjustment from the ECU for a richer mixture during warm-up.

Normally, at cold start, the RPM raises to about 1200, fuel flow (as indicated by the MFD) shows ~4liters/hour and the vacuum/boost gauge indicates a stronger vacuum of about 10inHG - they gradually drop over the course of a minute while the engine heats up and settle at ~800rpm, ~1L/hr and 19inHG, at idle.

What it does instead is act as if it's already half-way warmed up: ~900-ish RPM, ~2L/hr and 17-18inHG vacuum at idle.

This doesn't happen for subsequent start-ups during the day, even if the car sat for 8 hours or if the engine is still somewhat warm - it still goes through the 'autochoke' period as it's supposed to. It only acts up on cold mornings of after sitting for extended periods of time.

My several attempts at resolving this problem include replacing the CTS, cleaning and realignment of the throttle body (including replaced gasket) and cleaning the MAF sensor.

Thanks for reading - hope someone is able to point me in the right direction of possible problem areas to look at.
PS: I don't have a VAG-COM but it's on my list of things to get a hold of in the near future. What should I look for with the VAG-COM if I had one now?
 
#2 ·
Actually, that puzzled the heck out of me as well - but in fact it's normal operation. The "fast idle" only happens in a certain range of temperatures; too warm or too cold and it idles normally. I thought it was a malfunction my 2000 didn't fast idle on really cold days; but then my 2004 did the same thing.

The dealer told me "Don't worry about it, the ECU knows what to do" but one guy here actually mapped out the temperature range.
 
#3 ·
I considered that to be a possibility but I'm still leaning towards it being an issue rather than normal operation; the reason being that on a very cold day, it will idle slow on first start in the morning, but then it idles fast when starting it 8 hours later, after it had time to cool down completely. The only explanation, if it were true, would be that there's also a timer involved. Below X degrees and stopped for more than X amount of time, slow-idle. Below X degrees and stopped for less than X amount of time, idle fast.... hmmm.

To be honest, I'd love to dismiss it as 'normal operation' and be done with it... but I'm just not convinced..yet :) Yes, the ECU is supposed to know what to do - but it acts on pre-programmed instructions relying heavily on readings it gets from various sensors.

BTW: got a link to the thread with the mapped temperature range?
 
#5 ·
My 1999 AEB does the same thing. High idle at cold start only happens between a certain temperature range. Too warm or too cold and no high idle. I'm not sure how the logic is constructed, but it probably makes perfect sense to the people who designed it to work this way. :crazy: My guess is it was done with emissions in mind.

Just because it doesn't idle at a higher RPM doesn't mean it's not getting a richer (choke) fuel mixture. With digitally controlled fuel injection and throttle body, they can program it to deliver whatever mixture they like at whatever idle RPM they like. It doesn't have to behave the same as old school carbs with a butterfly choke plate and venturi/vacuum fuel delivery.
 
#7 ·
It doesn't have to behave the same as old school carbs with a butterfly choke plate and venturi/vacuum fuel delivery.
True, but it doesn't behave like older - or even newer - FI engines either. I had a 2007 Rabbit and a 2006 Jetta TDI which behaved 'normally' (ie. high idle on cold starts) no matter what temperature. That's why I'm so puzzled :)
 
#8 ·
If you have access to vag-com, you may want to take a peek at the Coolant Temperature Sender data during cold start and warm up. The CTS is a common failure point and could effect how and when the ECM decides to high idle.

( I still think you may be experiencing normal behavior. Well... normal for a Passat. ;) )
 
#9 ·
Replacing the CTS was the first thing I did in an attempt to 'fix' this - if only as a precautionary measure, or to eliminate a remotely possible culprit - since the old unit didn't seem to be faulty. I also have a ScanGauge hooked up continuously - water temp is one of the main readings configured which gives me an exact and accurate figure in real-time.

Anyway, I get it. It's a feature, not a bug :)

Edit: Thanks for the replies, folks. I'll sleep better tonight ;)
 
#10 ·