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8.9K views 42 replies 11 participants last post by  Phiow  
#1 ·
I was wondering if its possible to put Vw OEM navigation in a B5.

If it is possible, what all do you need, how tough is it to hook up.

any in put would be great.
 
#5 ·
My guess would be yes. anything is possible but the money factor and the amount of how much time you have, is also to consider. I like the oem b5 navigation look, but I might consider a aftermarket navi setup instead because oem navigation seems to get outdated faster than aftermarket. the options are limitless also. updated versions, Rear view camera, updated map views,more area covered on one disc,tv tuner, dvd player, more inputs and outputs for your audio/video/navi desires. IMHO
 
#8 · (Edited)
While I believe that the OEM Navigation unit look best in a B5 the fact is all the MFD Navigation units made for that period are really showing their age. Software is clunky and limited compared to today's aftermarket units.

There is a seperate radio console bezel for the center console but if you're going to pay somewhere up to $900-$1100 for the nav unit alone what's another $100.

In my opinion, installing a OEM Navi would be more of a novelty than a functional operation

Unfortunately, I haven't seen any aftermarket Navi systems that look at home B5 dash. Even though it was nicely done I didn't like the modified Toureg one either.

Here's the thread on the Toureg Navi in the B5.5 dash http://www.passatworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186085

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#10 ·
Sure you can install the OEM MFD Navi. I recently did this...

You need to decide whether you want the D or G version of the MFD. The D and G version MFDs talk to the steering wheel controls and full FIS cluster display differently. You choice will depend upon where your car 1) has steering controls, 2) full FIS cluster, 3) CAN-BUS or 3LB support for 1&2. You might also need a TMC box, if you decide to go with the G version.

Additionally, you'll need need the appropriate harness for connecting the MFD to the OEM radio harness (and a few other connection behind the cluster.) This choice depends upon whether you have a 1 DIN or 2 DIN OEM radio.

Of course, you'll also need a GPS antenna, and a set of map discs. Steve Z1 sells complete packages of all these items for reasonable prices. Search for him.

If you post answers to the following questions, I'm sure we can help you decide what you need:

0) Exactly have year, and model B5 do you have?

1) What OEM radio do you have?

2) What kind of connections are on the back of it?

3) Do you have steering wheel radio controls?

4) If so, do you have multifunction relay 451 or 452?

5) Do you have a full-FIS cluster?

6) If so, does it use CAN-BUS or 3LB? (Use VAG-COM to get it's part number.)

7) Am I missing anything...?

I was wondering if its possible to put Vw OEM navigation in a B5.

If it is possible, what all do you need, how tough is it to hook up.

any in put would be great.
 
#28 ·
Ironic, the nav system is one of the biggest complaints about the treg. If you go with I treg navi do a dvd unit not the cd based and version one disks are trash 3b or 4b(dvd) is the way to go. Personally I would go aftermarket, I am halfway tempted to rip the navi out of my Treg and install aftermarket. On a side not I have seen CD navi versions pretty cheap in the clubtouareg.com classifieds.
 
#17 ·
CAN-bus is a car-wide serial communications line that alot of electronic components in the car use to communicate -- e.g., ECU, transmission, CCM, Radio, Airbags, etc.

Once upon a time, most functions on our B5's were carried by separate & different wires - e.g. 1 wire from steering wheel to radio for remote control, 3 wires (the 3LB) from radio to cluster for FIS display, 1 wire from transmission to rear lights for reverse signal, etc. Over time, VW has migrated most of these functions to a common pair of wires called the CAN-BUS. Because these 2 wires must now carry a whole whack of signals, all devices on the bus must use a specific communications protocol so they can share the bandwidth.

By looking at the 451/452 relay part number and cluster's part number, we can determine exactly which of your car's functions use CAN-BUS and which don't. Then, we can decide whether you should get the D or G Navi. The reason is, the D Navi uses the remote wire and 3LB (for steering controls and FIS), and the G Navi w/ TMC unit uses the CAN-BUS (for steering controls and FIS).

It is also possible to downgrade your steering controls from CAN to the older remote wire by changing the 451/452 relay, and some additional wiring.

The options are myriad... ;)
 
#15 ·
There are 4 wires that need to be tapped, illumination, gala(speed sensor), switched 12v, and kline (i dont remember correctly and i dont think you have to connect this if you dont want to, but comes helpful to unlock certain features in vagcom). gala is tapped behind the cluster, if you read the installation at vwnavi.com they tell you to use a specific type of wire tap, the green color that can be purchased at radio shack.
 
#19 ·
On older singal-din cars, the illumination, s-cont, and k-lines were all handled by separate lines on the radio harness. However, double-din radios get this information from the can-bus... Perhaps that's why?

Of course, your Navi will still work without illumination, s-cont, and k. It just won't turn on/off with ignition, light up along with the cluster, or be visible by vag-com. So, yeah, I guess gala is the only utterly essential connection... ;)


i had a wiring harness adapter, and i only had to tap into gala for my "D" to work.

fyi, i sold mine for well under $600 for the nav unit alone, so you can find a decent deal if you're patient.
 
#21 ·
http://www.vwnavi.com/vwnavi/forums/showthread.php?t=1131

this is the unoffical mfd faq at vwnavi. i read through this right before i installed my navi, and pretty much tells you everything.

The full FIS, often just called "FIS", uses the entire box for the pixel display. The FIS can display Navi info and radio info. In the North American market, only the Passat W8 came factory with FIS. Sometimes called "high pixel MFA".

It is important to get the correct cluster when doing a FIS upgrade. Cars that came with the double DIN head unit will use the CAN BUS to try and send info to the FIS, where are cars with single DIN head unit us a seperate wiring harness called "3LB" to send info. The FIS cluster for single DIN radios have an extra plug (a red plug) for the 3LB wiring.

To the best of my knowlage, you can't take a cluster that expects the info to be recieved over the 3LB wiring and use it on a double DIN to Navi upgrade... and you can't take a cluster that expects the info to come over the CAN BUS and put it in a single DIN to Navi upgrade.

The Immobilizer system is build into the cluster.
 
#26 ·
If you have no steering wheel controls, and no FIS, then you can use either D or G. A plug-n-play single din harness will route the illumination, s.cont. and k lines already in the radio harness to the navi. As dpassat said, you'll only have to supply the gala connection.

If, in future, you upgrade to a multi-function steering wheel or a full-fis cluster, then it might matter which your choose, D or G. This would depend on the part number of the cluster and the 451/452 multifunction steering wheel relay.
 
#29 ·
Phiow,

While your at it could you go over what is required to add DSP to an OEM MFD "G" system. I believe that the DSP amp (1J0 035 456J) replaces monsoon amp but then one must also upgrade all of the speakers. Is this correct in your experince?

Do you know the part numbers for all 8 speakers?

TIA,

Tom
 
#30 ·
I've never done a DSP install. However, vwnavi and tdiclub have some embers that have posted about it. If I recall correctly, you do indeed replace the monsoon amp with the dsp, but you must also modify the monsoon wiring connectors. Most of the connections are the same, but a couple are missing, including the can-bus -- you'll have to run these from the front to the rear of the car. As for speakers, I have no idea...

Best of luck!

Phiow,

While your at it could you go over what is required to add DSP to an OEM MFD "G" system. I believe that the DSP amp (1J0 035 456J) replaces monsoon amp but then one must also upgrade all of the speakers. Is this correct in your experince?

Do you know the part numbers for all 8 speakers?

TIA,

Tom
 
#33 ·
Ok, so I had my radio the other day when I installed by icelink, I noticed that there seems to be a wire at pin 1 of the black connnector, which according to the pin out included(see pic below) that I already had a gala connection there, so all I would have to do is tap that there and connect to the correct pin in a 26 pin correct.

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#34 ·
Sounds about right.

To be certain, check your old HU. I know my Monsoon HU had a sticker on it with a pinout that makes it pretty clear exactly what is what...

Ok, so I had my radio the other day when I installed by icelink, I noticed that there seems to be a wire at pin 1 of the black connnector, which according to the pin out included(see pic below) that I already had a gala connection there, so all I would have to do is tap that there and connect to the correct pin in a 26 pin correct.

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#36 ·
According to some other postings I came across, only Euro B5 have the GALA wire in the Single-Din harness. Your U.S. spec B5 has +12 at pin 1 -- analagous to the ALARM line in the Double-Din harness which is also tied to +12v. As some fellas on vwnavi discovered, if you shunt that to the Gala input on the MFD, you may fry it...

Looks like you'll have to run the Gala line afterall.


On my radio is

1=ALM
2= blank
3= k-ln
4 =s
5=safe
6=kl58b
7= kl30
8=kl31