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Running on 3 cylinders im starving for info and help!

3.5K views 18 replies 6 participants last post by  VAGguy  
#1 · (Edited)
Greetings my B5/5.5 Friends from all over the world,
My name is David and im a proud owner of a 98' AEB B5 manual tranny passat.
Im a frequent reader on these forums ,since im more of a DIY guy.

now back to the topic , i lost one cylinder functionality while driving home back from work. Ive immediately noticed that the car is shaking like crazy and it doesnt boost over 7.2psi (im chipped Upsolute @1.2 bar/17psi).
my first thoughts made me check over if the given cylinder is getting any spark at all ,well ive unplugged each one of them and noticed shaking till I got to the second coil from the buttom which didnt change anything. ill try to illustrate since I dont know the exact order from upper side down: [1-2-doesnt spark-4]. I ordered 4 new coil packs from fcp groton and installed them as soon as they arrived, sadly that didnt solve the issue, cylinder Number 3 (according to my illustration) didnt change its behavior. Im suspecting it may be the ICM maybe ? I cleaned the metal plate sides ,yet added any new thermal paste , didnt gain positive results as well.
what could cause this problem ? a misfunctioning ICM or maybe the spark plug is bad ? it looked clean when I removed the coils.
here are my car specs:
my car has 114,000 miles ,doesnt burn oil runs well when everything is ok.
Upsolute chip
Mechanical boost controller ,n75 bypassed.
CAI( or should I call it HAI ? im going to put back my inbox k&N asap)
Autogauge BOV
NGK iridium a colder model than the stock ones.(ill check on that l8er).
I was misfiring on all cylinders with the original coils (back then when everything worked fine and I was in the middle of my car tunning process), when drive testing with vag-com ,I checked that with my mechanic. just in case, if it brings any clues.

please dont tell me im with a real dead cylinder:banghead:
thank you in advance for your help,
David.
 
#5 ·
will do, thank you for the fast reply corrado.
can it be an o2/cat even if ive examined a non functioning cylinder ? it was totally dead, no reaction at all when I removed the plug nor replaced the coil.
for now ,the Injector is unplugged as well, to save my cats life as much as possible.

here's my ride btw:
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#7 ·
I dont have a gapping/spark plug positioning tools yet, therfore I have no choice but to try everything else besides that. A friend of mine is going to give a hand over this in the morning. Ive read various horror stories about compression loss and many other camp night rumours, which lead to believes like a broken cylinder, bad sealings over the rings etc.. I just hope that ill get done with a spark plug and an ICM.:bowdown:
 
#8 ·
you dont need any special tools to swap a plug. it sounds like cyl #3 per your description is the 'dead' cylinder. swap out #3 plug with any other of the plugs.
like #3 plug in cylinder #1 &
#1 plug in cylinder #3
 
#10 ·
If you find that the problem follows the plug by moving it to another cylinder then the plug is what is called "fouled out". At that point in time, yes they should all be replaced with new ones.
On a side note, 6k on spark plugs is nothing. I have a few vehicles that have more than 70k on the plugs. New cars normally can go 100k on plugs before they need to be replaced. That's assuming everything else is normal.

By the way, that looks like a nice ride.
 
#13 ·
replacing the ICM should have been first on the list. Coils on ICM cars almost never die.
 
#15 ·
Good morning guys,
Ive made a mistake when I didnt try to relocate the coils first.
I didnt know of the ICM's existence untill my first order arrived.
Im on my way to VAG tuning specialist in my area ,hopefully ill end up with a bad plug or two. and tnx for the compliment I love this car!
btw: beamuisbro indeed I have a BOV and it works quite well , I never go lean or have VAC issues ,probably it matches the car very well. I have tried dozens of BOV's including the most popular ones : greddy type-s ,forge 007,belly and few others, only this one works like a charm !
 
#17 ·
No, you are having fuel mix problems, you're just lucky that they aren't severe enough to throw an error code.

The excess boost needs to be vented into the turbo inlet pipe, so it can stall the incoming air passing through the MAF when you let off the gas, so the ECU will know as soon as possible that the engine is not consuming as much air as it was a moment before. Otherwise, it will continue to measure the air getting sucked through the turbo as the turbo spools down, and it will continue to inject fuel into the engine accordingly -- even though that air isn't getting into the engine. That causes the engine to run really rich for a couple of seconds after you let off the gas, which throws off the fuel trim calculations. It's not a good idea, to hell with the cool sound it makes.

For the second time, I can pretty much guarantee your plugs are fine and your coils are fine, and that your ICM is dead. A dead ICM is the cause of 95% of AEB-engine ignition problems.
 
#18 ·
Hi again,
Im back with results: spark plugs are excellent
http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/products/cars_trucks_suvs/vpower.asp

still for god sake tried different ones ,Beru Ultra ,no use.
tried swapping coils no use either.
the conclusion ? ICM ! here we go hunting for a good one.
40$ for a bosch unit , is it worth it ? a used ofcourse.
btw: im going to replace the BOV with my original DV its still in perfect shape!

with best regards,
David.
 
#19 ·
you can get HUCO for about $75 brand new IIRC. Either that or a bosch. they are pretty much the same for reliability. what makes or breaks an ICM is the proper application of the thermal paste.