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Replacing the coolant flange and heater core hoses - job notes

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Just finished replacing the coolant flange and heater core hoses on my 2001 Passat GLS, so posting the job notes. Several other posts on this topic, so I'll try to add to those. Definitely a PITA job. Looks like my hands were in a fight with 10 cats! Off to the notes then:

Recently a coolant leak started getting worse, with the fluid ending up more on the DS than the PS. Others have mentioned flange problems dripping on the PS, but that wasn't the case for me. I read the posts about the flange being the most likely culprit, so I decided to swap it out, along with the hoses. Went with the Uro Tuning cast one, which was lovely. Looking back I don't think I needed to replace the hoses - putting hose clamps on to fix the coupler leaks would have done it - but ah well.

General Prep - the usual to get started. Pulled the cowl off, disconnected the battery, drained the coolant, and got the coolant reservoir up and out of the way.

Vent Pipe Fun - the two vent pipes, the 3-way connector, and the heat shield all need to come off to make space. Be sure to remove both hoses going to the combi valve.

Combi Valve - this one wasn't too bad. You just need a short 1/4" ratchet and a stubby 5 mm hex setup of some sort, and you can get the three bolts out fairly easily. As others have noted, the gasket wants to drop down into the engine, so it needs extra attention. I spent time flushing the combi valve with a whole lot of throttle body cleaner and got a bunch of junk out, so hopefully that will help. When putting the combi valve back in I used the sewing thread trick to keep the gasket positioned, and that worked great. Pulled the thread off once the bolts were threaded on.

Flange Removal and Installation - your new best friend is a 1/4" ratchet, a standard 10 mm socket, and a long 10 mm socket. The long one is good on the PS with the outer bolt, stud bolt, and the second regular bolt. The two hex bolts holding the silver fuel line (?) definitely need to come out, and then the bracket can slide toward the firewall and off the stud bolt. Most of this is blind, and I remembered to make use of my mirror a lot. Super helpful for seeing where the bolt holes need to line up. On the DS the two bolts are easy to get to with the standard socket.

Outlet Hose - this was probably my biggest headache, and ironically it wasn't a problem. Should have just left it! Getting the coupler to disconnect took gorilla strength, but luckily with all the other stuff removed you can hug your engine and get two hands on it. No option to twist these couplers because of the alignment pins/slots. I replaced the hose with a Rein one, and after it all went back together this was the problem child, I think because the hose/coupling wasn't an exact match. I put the original hose back on and all good, except for the small fortune I spend on coolant with the stuff I can't catch. I like these couplers when they work correctly - the spring is in place, you line it up with the slots, push hard, and get that nice click when it seats.

Soapy Water - figured out that spraying the heater core hoses with soapy water makes removal and installation through those holes a breeze. Well, as much of a "breeze" as you can get on a B5.

Final Analysis - once everything was out, the main problem seemed to be the crack near the coupler on the inlet hose. I could have pried off the plastic part and put on a hose clamp, but going into it I didn't know how these hoses were designed. Also the o-ring connecting the flange to the block. That thing was soft, oversized, and flattened, so good to get a new set of o-rings in there along with the metal flange. Some photos below.

Hope this helps! I'll probably do the same swap on my 2002 wagon as a preventative step. Not a bad repair, but also not one you want to deal with in an emergency.

Graham

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#2 ·
They sell the plastic connector on the hose in the pic separately, but it's almost impossible to remove. It's easier to just buy a replacement hose for not much more money. When I last replaced the flange I ended up buying a plastic connector just for the o-ring which I used as a replacement in the existing connector. Still it was very difficult to get back in.

I think you made the right move with the aluminum flange. I have replaced my flange twice with plastic. The next time I'm going to use aluminum.
 
#3 · (Edited)
My 8 year old URO composite flange blew apart last week when I started the car at home. I replaced it with an aluminum flange. It took me many hours. I have some notes of my own.

There's a DIY thread on PW and a youtube video that have a good overview of the flange replacement.

I suggest replace the o-ring that goes into the side flange, part 058121687 for 2003 Passat AWM. It is a weird size 31.5 x 3.65mm and doesn't seem to be included with most flanges. Mine was pretty bad. I ordered a new one from a local Audi dealership so that I could pick it up next day. Also, some people replace the o-ring that is in the heater core hose connector that connects to the flange's bottom outlet. VW doesn't sell it directly and it used to be hard to find a replacement. RKX Tech now sells an improved version of the O ring, RKX-KIT-004 (also available on Amazon).

As the DIY warns about I broke the secondary air pipe connecting hose, part 058133785B, while removing the pipe. The oil cooler inlet hose, part 06B121058S, was kind of lumpy so I replaced it as well.

The back of the head had some coolant crust around where the flange o-ring sits and so I removed it with a flexible auto mirror, a mini razor and then 2500 grit sandpaper.

The back flange bolts and side flange bolts are 7 ft-lbs (84 in-lbs). I suggest alternate back and forth between the top and bottom when tightening each so the connections aren't cockeyed.

When you reinstall the heatshield the screws may not align. In this case you'll have to loosen the turbo oil line on the side because it has the mounts for the heatshield screws. You can sort of move the tabs up and down and then tighten. Both tabs in mine needed to be pulled up before I tightened the turbo line screws.


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#4 · (Edited)
I am now in the process replacing the flange on my 2002 Passat with an aluminum one and I bought the two o-rings (above) from Amazon for the heater hose and the radiator hose. But I'm having a hell of a time getting the radiator hose to go back in with that o-ring... just doesn't want to slide on and connect all the way up so the clip will lock even with soapy water! I think the problem is that bevel on the flange. Is that the correct o-ring, or should it be a smaller one that sits at the bottom of the flange on the shelf in the heater hose ? Unfortunately, I wasn't very careful in this regard when I took it apart, and now I'm paying for it! Any ideas?
-Lao
 
#5 ·
Not sure about the o-ring, but I remember the guide tab has to be aligned and the connector has to go on at the right angle. Is it the exact same connector on the hose? I had a replacement hose and fought with it until I realized the guide tab on the hose connector was in the wrong position. I went back to the original hose, which was in decent shape.
 
#6 · (Edited)
Do you remember where the o-ring went; did it go over the protuding piece on the flange and then the hose gets pulled up over that, or ???? If I don't have the o-ring in place, the hose goes up just fine and aligns with the guide tab, so it doesn't seem to be an alignment problem. But thanks for the response!
 
#7 ·
To be clear all the O-rings for the flange connections are different sizes. I am not sure exactly what you are talking about re heater and radiator having the same size. I will talk about the heater core hose that goes into the bottom of the flange. The RKX o-ring (the green one from Amazon) is only for that type of connector (refer to fitment). The o-ring sits behind the plastic ring in the connector. You could remove the plastic ring to remove the old o-ring but I've found it hard to get that plastic ring back into place. An easier way I think would be use something non-marring to pop out the old o-ring and then you can put the new one in without disturbing the plastic ring.

Assuming you did that correctly so that it fits like in the picture then the next step is lube it and push it on. As Graham said there is a guide, and as long as your guide and plastic ring are positioned properly (not obstructing the guide groove) then it shouldn't be a problem.
 
#8 · (Edited)
@passat03wagon, Thank you. That picture in your other post makes the situation very clear! I wasn't even aware of the plastic ring. I just looked at my car and it seems that the plastic ring is in place along with the old o-ring I will try later tI oday to do what you suggest: namely to replace the o-ring w/o disturbing the plastic ring.

UPDATE: the old o-ring was still in there. So I used an old dental tool to pry it out, then replaced it with the new o-ring, slid the hose over the flange into the guide, and snaped in the retaining clip. SUCCESS!! So thank you again @passat03wagon and @graham.tillotson!

One final problem: Re-installing the combi valve was a PIA because the combi valve side of the aluminum flange casting (purchased from Amazon) protruded toward the combi farther than the original and so kept the combi from being able to be bolted in (I unfortunately did not check this before I put the flange in). As I didn't want to remove the flange again, I 'fixed' the problem by grinding down the the combi a slight bit where it hit the flange, maybe only 1/64". So beware if you buy a non-standard flange!