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Hello all,

I learned in this forum that it is not a good idea to use the brake fluid that has been opened and on the shelf for a long time. I have half a bottle of Pentosin power steering fluid, sitting there more than 6 months. Can I use it or the same brake fluid logic applies to PS fluid as well?

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It matters more how many times the bottle was opened. If brake fluid has been sitting there tightly sealed for 6 months I would have no problem using it. But if it had been opened up a few times and portions poured out intermittently, I'd be hesitant. However, I don't think PS fluid is as hygroscopic as brake fluid is, so there should be no worries in using it. Is it the good Pentosin 11S type? Again, if it's only been opened up a couple times over the 6 months no problem using it.
 
If the lid was on tight, it should be fine to use. 6 months is not really a problem, some product on store shelves might be that old by the time you put it into your shopping cart.

Bigger question: why does your steering fluid need so frequent top ups?
 
I don't think P/S fluid is nearly as hygroscopic as brake fluid. (Brake fluid is designed to be hygroscopic.) P/S is some sort of mineral oil, brake fluid isn't even remotely related; it's Polyethylene Glycol.
 
Discussion starter · #6 · (Edited)
PS is feeling a bit stiffer. Although I will do a complete flush (draining the old fluid via the short hose using a bottle etc) I watched the video below about the PS flush. He uses Transtune. Is it recommended in Passats?

 
I'm planning to use CHF11S The PS does not need topping up. I am planing to flush it. It has been almost 2 years since i replaced it. It is feeling a bit stiffer.
Although I will do a complete flush (draining the old fluid via the short hose using a bottle etc).
The CHF11S is a fully synthetic steering fluid, so you must do a complete flush. The power steering fluid the B5/B5.5 came with from factory is CHF7.1 which is a mineral base oil.
 
The only P/S fluid you should ever put in your B5 is offical VW P/S fluid or Pentosin CHF-11S (NOT CHF7.1!). "Magic Fluids" like that Transtune should virtually never be used in any car unless it's a heap you are limping along for a little while longer.
 
PS is feeling a bit stiffer. Although I will do a complete flush (draining the old fluid via the short hose using a bottle etc) I watched the video below about the PS flush. He uses Transtune. Is it recommended in Passats?
Stiffer? More than likely from all the other stuff you've replaced in the last 6 months. You've done a complete overhaul of the front and rear suspension, along with motor mounts and such. You're probably feeling what the car drove like years ago, and since you're still having problems with engine vibrations, you're probably over sensitive to other issues.

The only P/S fluid you should ever put in your B5 is offical VW P/S fluid or Pentosin CHF-11S (NOT CHF7.1!). "Magic Fluids" like that Transtune should virtually never be used in any car unless it's a heap you are limping along for a little while longer.
x2. If "Transtune" was what VW recommended, they'd stock it on the shelf at dealers, recommend it in your owner's manual, and send you on your merry way. Pentosin CHF 11s ONLY, which is SPECIFICALLY designed for VW hydraulic power steering systems. If you're not paying the grandiose price of $17+ for a bottle of fluid, you're putting the wrong stuff in. The only time the power steering system needs to be diagnosed is when you start having excess play in the steering (after diagnosing the suspension checks out,) if the power steering pump starts to whine, or if you're losing fluid. For the most part, this system on the car is essentially maintenance-free.

After saying the above, I've only ever seen ONE person use something other than the recommended fluid to fix a leak in an older Audi. The results were fine, but as sirwired suggests, this was a car that he was trying to limp along. And after watching that Youtube video, I'm almost certain that the car he is working on is a slightly newer Toyota Camry. I'd be pouring in Toyota's recommended power steering fluid before I'd pour in a bottle of Autozones. That's just me I guess.
 
I suppose it wouldn't hurt, but you would need to watch the concentration with respect to the PS fluid. The transmission contains much more fluid than the power steering system.

Edit - Trans Tune is a product of SeaFoam, which seems to be a popular additive among many of the PassatWorld community. I'm generally skeptical of marvel mystery oil type products, but sometimes they do what they say. For example, I do use Techron fuel additive occasionally.
 
I suppose it wouldn't hurt, but you would need to watch the concentration with respect to the PS fluid. The transmission contains much more fluid than the power steering system.

Edit - Trans Tune is a product of SeaFoam, which seems to be a popular additive among many of the PassatWorld community. I'm generally skeptical of marvel mystery oil type products, but sometimes they do what they say. For example, I do use Techron fuel additive occasionally.
I'm less skeptical about fuel additives, such as Techron which I happen to use as well, than ones that remain in cases, sumps, etc and recycle through a system. Unless of course that additive is to be drained at some point. Not saying that some of these additives don't work as specified.
 
The only P/S fluid you should ever put in your B5 is offical VW P/S fluid or Pentosin CHF-11S (NOT CHF7.1 !).
Pentosin CHF 11s ONLY, which is SPECIFICALLY designed for VW hydraulic power steering systems.
WRONG !!
All :b5: and :b55: PS system was filled with CHF7.1 MINERAL oil from factory !
If you do not belive me go out and read the text on top of your PS reservoir cap !
 
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2stroke,

You are darn RIGHT! It truly reads MINERAL based fluid on the reservoir. I read the entire label on CHF11s and it is SYNTHETIC! Furthermore it reads CHF11S is NOT compatible with CHF7.1!
I need to find CHF 7.1 and flush it as soon as possible. Thank you for the head up.

WRONG !! All :b5: and :b55: PS system was filled with CHF7.1 MINERAL oil from factory ! If you do not belive me go out and read the text on your GREEN PS cap !
 
2stroke,

You are darn RIGHT!
It truly reads MINERAL based fluid on the reservoir.
I read the entire label on CHF11s and it is SYNTHETIC!
Furthermore it reads CHF11S is NOT compatible with CHF7.1

I need to find CHF 7.1 and flush it as soon as possible.
Now I am really confused. CHF 7.1 Mineral based oil is discontinued by Pentosin.
It is fine to use the CHF11S instead of the CHF7.1 , but you must do a complete flush of the PS system !
 
No matter what the cap says, the following sources seem to think that 11S is the correct fluid:

Pentosin - Hydraulic Fluid <----- I'd think Pentosin would know which cars their fluid is supposed to go in.
Volkswagen Passat B5 FWD 1.8T > Maintenance > Steering
Audi Power Steering Fluid G002000 - Audi Power Steering Fluid G004000

If you call the dealer and ask for the part number for B5 PS Fluid, they'll tell you it's G00 4000. If you check the Pentosin spec sheets avail. here: Pentosin - Hydraulic Fluid , you'll see that 4000 M2 is CHF-202. It's fully compatible with the previous fluid G00 2000, which x-refs to 11S.

FWIW, Blauparts refers to an old VW tech bulletin saying that 7.1 and 11S can be mixed.
 
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