Hello. Merry Christmas.
My 2001 Passat 2.8 all of a sudden won't start (turns over and seems to sometimes try to fire occasionally). I hooked up my laptop using my VCDS by Ross-tech and printed the codes out. I knew about the O2 sensor (and I have one that I will install shortly).
I have checked my fuel pump relay (372) and it seems to test out fine.
At the relay panel where the fuel pump relay plugs in, there is 12 volts at terminal 30 and 86. With the ignition turned on there is only 3 volts at 87A. Not sure if that's right or not.
All of my electronics seem to work fine so I doubt it is a CCM (although there were a couple intermittent codes for the seat control, door modules, S contact at Ignition).
I attached the codes.
Additionally I pulled off the access plate over the gas tank to see if I could hear the fuel pump at all (you don't have to take out the back seat like I read on many, many threads - It's in the trunk). I heard nothing when the ignition was turned to run. There are only two wires (a blue and a black) that go to the pump (thin wires at that). All of the threads I found say there were 4 wires. In run they only show a bit more than 3 volts.
After doing MORE research yet, I decided to try and jump pin 30 to pin 87 on the relay 372 socket. The pump ran. So I suspect the pump is good. I tried starting it like this and it started. I shut it off and put the relay back in and it started again! So what does this mean? It's almost like jumping the relay socket "kick started" something. I don't want this to occur again, because it will and of course at the worst possible time. So again, what does all this mean? Where is / was the issue? Again, the power to the fuel pump does NOT come from the plug on top of it like I have read. There are only two wires, a blue and black wire for the sending unit. Where do the wires that power the fuel pump enter the tank?
Codes:
Wednesday,25,December,2013,19:28:40:43235
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator
VCDS Version: Release 12.12.0 (x64)
Data version: 20130910
VIN: WVWEH23B71E005403 License Plate:
Mileage: 204750km-127225mi Repair Order:
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Chassis Type: 3B - VW Passat B5 (1997 > 2005)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 19 35 36 37 46 47 55 56 57 58 75 76 77
Mileage: 204750km/127225miles
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Address 01: Engine Labels: 078-907-551-ATQ.lbl
Part No: 3B0 907 551 BA
Component: 2.8L V6/5V G 0003
Coding: 07251
Shop #: WSC 05311
VCID: 63CBAB76F1FD5B06E91-5178
7 Faults Found:
17526 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor Heating; B1 S2
P1118 - 35-00 - Open Circuit
17522 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor; B1 S2
P1114 - 35-10 - Internal Resistance too High - Intermittent
17831 - Secondary Air Injection System; Bank 1
P1423 - 35-10 - Insufficient Flow - Intermittent
16524 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor B1 S2
P0140 - 35-10 - No Activity - Intermittent
16684 - Random/Multiple Cylinder Misfire Detected
P0300 - 35-10 - - Intermittent
16687 - Cylinder 3
P0303 - 35-10 - Misfire Detected - Intermittent
16690 - Cylinder 6
P0306 - 35-10 - Misfire Detected - Intermittent
Readiness: 0010 0001
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Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 01V-927-156.lbl
Part No: 8D0 927 156 AT
Component: AG5 01V 2.8l5V USA 3132
Coding: 00102
Shop #: WSC 05311
VCID: 7F0307067D559FE6ED9-515A
No fault code found.
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Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 8E0-614-111-EDS.lbl
Part No: 8E0 614 111 A
Component: ABS/EDS 5.3 QUATTRO D10
Shop #: BB 24334
VCID: 1C39D08A8C0324FE68B-513C
No fault code found.
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Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 3Bx-907-044.lbl
Part No: 3B1 907 044 D
Component: CLIMATRONIC D2.2
Coding: 05000
Shop #: WSC 05311
VCID: 2245EE72AE67120EA27-515A
1 Fault Found:
01206 - Signal for Duration of Ignition Off Time
35-10 - - - Intermittent
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Address 15: Airbags Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
Part No: 6Q0 909 605 B
Component: 03 AIRBAG VW5 0004
Coding: 12339
Shop #: WSC 05311
VCID: 366D222212EF9EAE7EF-4B18
No fault code found.
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Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 1J0-907-487.lbl
Part No: 1J0 907 487
Component: Lenkradelektronik X34
Coding: 00008
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: EEDD4A42AA3F666EF6F-520C
No fault code found.
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Address 17: Instruments Labels: 3B0-920-xx2-17.lbl
Part No: 3B0 920 820 C
Component: B5-KOMBIINSTR. VDO V26
Coding: 07365
Shop #: WSC 05311
VCID: 1D3FDD8E97192DF69F5-5178
2 Faults Found:
00779 - Outside Air Temp Sensor (G17)
30-10 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
00779 - Outside Air Temp Sensor (G17)
29-10 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
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Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
Part No: 6N0 909 901
Component: Gateway K<->CAN 0001
Coding: 00005
Shop #: WSC 05314
VCID: F0E1543AB00B709EE43-515A
No fault code found.
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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr Labels: 3B1-959-760.lbl
Part No: 3B1 959 760 A
Component: Sitzverstellung FS 0003
VCID: 2B5B0356D9ADD346111-515A
5 Faults Found:
01008 - Note; Emergency OFF Switch is Active!
35-00 - -
00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30
06-10 - Signal too High - Intermittent
00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30
07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent
01329 - Convenience System Data Bus in Emergency Mode
35-10 - - - Intermittent
01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393)
49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
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Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 1J0-959-799.lbl
Part No: 1J0 959 799 AJ
Component: 6Y Zentral-SG Komf. 0001
Coding: 04098
Shop #: WSC 05311
VCID: 860D12E2A28F4E2E2EF-4B18
Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1J0959801H
Component: 6Y Tõrsteuerger. FS0002r
Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1J0959802J
Component: 6Y Tõrsteuerger. BF0002B
Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1J4959811D
Component: 6Y Tõrsteuerger. HL0002r
Subsystem 4 - Part No: 1J4959812D
Component: 6Y Tõrsteuerger. HR0002r
8 Faults Found:
00849 - S-contact at Ignition/Starter Switch (D)
25-10 - Unknown Switch Condition - Intermittent
00953 - Interior Light Time limit
25-10 - Unknown Switch Condition - Intermittent
01329 - Convenience System Data Bus in Emergency Mode
35-10 - - - Intermittent
01333 - Door Control Module; Rear Left (J388)
49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
01331 - Door Control Module; Driver Side (J386)
52-10 - Supply Voltage Too High - Intermittent
01332 - Door Control Module; Passenger Side (J387)
52-10 - Supply Voltage Too High - Intermittent
01333 - Door Control Module; Rear Left (J388)
52-10 - Supply Voltage Too High - Intermittent
01334 - Door Control Module; Rear Right (J389)
52-10 - Supply Voltage Too High - Intermittent
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Address 56: Radio Labels: 1J0-035-18x-56.lbl
Part No: 1J0 035 180 B
Component: Radio DE2 0004
Coding: 04043
Shop #: WSC 92724
VCID: 1E3DDA829A1F36EE86F-51EE
1 Fault Found:
00856 - Radio Antenna
44-00 - Short Circuit
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Thanks!
My 2001 Passat 2.8 all of a sudden won't start (turns over and seems to sometimes try to fire occasionally). I hooked up my laptop using my VCDS by Ross-tech and printed the codes out. I knew about the O2 sensor (and I have one that I will install shortly).
I have checked my fuel pump relay (372) and it seems to test out fine.
At the relay panel where the fuel pump relay plugs in, there is 12 volts at terminal 30 and 86. With the ignition turned on there is only 3 volts at 87A. Not sure if that's right or not.
All of my electronics seem to work fine so I doubt it is a CCM (although there were a couple intermittent codes for the seat control, door modules, S contact at Ignition).
I attached the codes.
Additionally I pulled off the access plate over the gas tank to see if I could hear the fuel pump at all (you don't have to take out the back seat like I read on many, many threads - It's in the trunk). I heard nothing when the ignition was turned to run. There are only two wires (a blue and a black) that go to the pump (thin wires at that). All of the threads I found say there were 4 wires. In run they only show a bit more than 3 volts.
After doing MORE research yet, I decided to try and jump pin 30 to pin 87 on the relay 372 socket. The pump ran. So I suspect the pump is good. I tried starting it like this and it started. I shut it off and put the relay back in and it started again! So what does this mean? It's almost like jumping the relay socket "kick started" something. I don't want this to occur again, because it will and of course at the worst possible time. So again, what does all this mean? Where is / was the issue? Again, the power to the fuel pump does NOT come from the plug on top of it like I have read. There are only two wires, a blue and black wire for the sending unit. Where do the wires that power the fuel pump enter the tank?
Codes:
Wednesday,25,December,2013,19:28:40:43235
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator
VCDS Version: Release 12.12.0 (x64)
Data version: 20130910
VIN: WVWEH23B71E005403 License Plate:
Mileage: 204750km-127225mi Repair Order:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Chassis Type: 3B - VW Passat B5 (1997 > 2005)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 19 35 36 37 46 47 55 56 57 58 75 76 77
Mileage: 204750km/127225miles
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine Labels: 078-907-551-ATQ.lbl
Part No: 3B0 907 551 BA
Component: 2.8L V6/5V G 0003
Coding: 07251
Shop #: WSC 05311
VCID: 63CBAB76F1FD5B06E91-5178
7 Faults Found:
17526 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor Heating; B1 S2
P1118 - 35-00 - Open Circuit
17522 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor; B1 S2
P1114 - 35-10 - Internal Resistance too High - Intermittent
17831 - Secondary Air Injection System; Bank 1
P1423 - 35-10 - Insufficient Flow - Intermittent
16524 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor B1 S2
P0140 - 35-10 - No Activity - Intermittent
16684 - Random/Multiple Cylinder Misfire Detected
P0300 - 35-10 - - Intermittent
16687 - Cylinder 3
P0303 - 35-10 - Misfire Detected - Intermittent
16690 - Cylinder 6
P0306 - 35-10 - Misfire Detected - Intermittent
Readiness: 0010 0001
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 01V-927-156.lbl
Part No: 8D0 927 156 AT
Component: AG5 01V 2.8l5V USA 3132
Coding: 00102
Shop #: WSC 05311
VCID: 7F0307067D559FE6ED9-515A
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 8E0-614-111-EDS.lbl
Part No: 8E0 614 111 A
Component: ABS/EDS 5.3 QUATTRO D10
Shop #: BB 24334
VCID: 1C39D08A8C0324FE68B-513C
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 3Bx-907-044.lbl
Part No: 3B1 907 044 D
Component: CLIMATRONIC D2.2
Coding: 05000
Shop #: WSC 05311
VCID: 2245EE72AE67120EA27-515A
1 Fault Found:
01206 - Signal for Duration of Ignition Off Time
35-10 - - - Intermittent
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
Part No: 6Q0 909 605 B
Component: 03 AIRBAG VW5 0004
Coding: 12339
Shop #: WSC 05311
VCID: 366D222212EF9EAE7EF-4B18
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 1J0-907-487.lbl
Part No: 1J0 907 487
Component: Lenkradelektronik X34
Coding: 00008
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: EEDD4A42AA3F666EF6F-520C
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments Labels: 3B0-920-xx2-17.lbl
Part No: 3B0 920 820 C
Component: B5-KOMBIINSTR. VDO V26
Coding: 07365
Shop #: WSC 05311
VCID: 1D3FDD8E97192DF69F5-5178
2 Faults Found:
00779 - Outside Air Temp Sensor (G17)
30-10 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
00779 - Outside Air Temp Sensor (G17)
29-10 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
Part No: 6N0 909 901
Component: Gateway K<->CAN 0001
Coding: 00005
Shop #: WSC 05314
VCID: F0E1543AB00B709EE43-515A
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr Labels: 3B1-959-760.lbl
Part No: 3B1 959 760 A
Component: Sitzverstellung FS 0003
VCID: 2B5B0356D9ADD346111-515A
5 Faults Found:
01008 - Note; Emergency OFF Switch is Active!
35-00 - -
00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30
06-10 - Signal too High - Intermittent
00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30
07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent
01329 - Convenience System Data Bus in Emergency Mode
35-10 - - - Intermittent
01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393)
49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 1J0-959-799.lbl
Part No: 1J0 959 799 AJ
Component: 6Y Zentral-SG Komf. 0001
Coding: 04098
Shop #: WSC 05311
VCID: 860D12E2A28F4E2E2EF-4B18
Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1J0959801H
Component: 6Y Tõrsteuerger. FS0002r
Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1J0959802J
Component: 6Y Tõrsteuerger. BF0002B
Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1J4959811D
Component: 6Y Tõrsteuerger. HL0002r
Subsystem 4 - Part No: 1J4959812D
Component: 6Y Tõrsteuerger. HR0002r
8 Faults Found:
00849 - S-contact at Ignition/Starter Switch (D)
25-10 - Unknown Switch Condition - Intermittent
00953 - Interior Light Time limit
25-10 - Unknown Switch Condition - Intermittent
01329 - Convenience System Data Bus in Emergency Mode
35-10 - - - Intermittent
01333 - Door Control Module; Rear Left (J388)
49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
01331 - Door Control Module; Driver Side (J386)
52-10 - Supply Voltage Too High - Intermittent
01332 - Door Control Module; Passenger Side (J387)
52-10 - Supply Voltage Too High - Intermittent
01333 - Door Control Module; Rear Left (J388)
52-10 - Supply Voltage Too High - Intermittent
01334 - Door Control Module; Rear Right (J389)
52-10 - Supply Voltage Too High - Intermittent
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 56: Radio Labels: 1J0-035-18x-56.lbl
Part No: 1J0 035 180 B
Component: Radio DE2 0004
Coding: 04043
Shop #: WSC 92724
VCID: 1E3DDA829A1F36EE86F-51EE
1 Fault Found:
00856 - Radio Antenna
44-00 - Short Circuit
End ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks!