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Average MPG, is the EPA correct?

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#1 ·
I am looking at a new car, and I want a VW. I was looking at the GLX, GLX 4-mo, and a demo W8 w/ 6000mi on it. Among the factors I am considering is the gas mileage.

The EPA's numbers on the sticker seem to be very little difference. From GLX to GLX 4-mo, its only 1mpg. From GLX to W8, its only 2mpg. I don't know if I can trust those numbers, so I wanted to do a little poll to see what kind of gas mileage people are getting with theirs, unmodded?

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#2 ·
Can't tell you about the models you quote ('cause I don't drive 'em), but on my 1.8T, the EPA rating is 21 city/30 highway. Mostly, I get 21 around town and about 30 on the highway! So for me, they are more or less dead on.

PS: Same goes for our 97 Accord...except we would exceed the highway rating by as much as 3 or 4 MPG.
 
#3 ·
I usually get about 26.5-27MPG combimed from my V6 Tip. I tried turning off the ASR and it was up over 31MPG :eek: on Saturday. I was taking off a little softer than usual (to see if that was the reason) but I was still cruising around at 80-85 and it's sitting right at 30 MPG for the first 100 miles right now. I'm going to try it that way a little longer and see what happens. :D



Paul :thumbup:
 
#4 ·
JUst wanted to know what ASR was
 
#6 ·
My mileage is rather disappointing. I do a fair amount of highway driving (albeit rather fast highway driving) and I average about 21-22 a tank. That's also with an APR chip and premium gas, but it wasn't much different with no chip and regular gas. To the best of my knowledge, EPA numbers are averages, and an individual car can be better or worse.
 
#7 ·
quality_sound said:
Anti-Slip Regulation. Kind of an electronically controlled limited slip differential. Basically it controls wheel ship in slippery conditions.
Paul :thumbup:
EDL(electronic differential lock) uses the ABS system to apply the brakes to the slipping wheel, thereby sending power through the open differential to the other side. This only works up to about 25mph.

ASR(anti slip regulation) uses the engine to reduce wheelspin above the mph range of EDL. If wheel spin is detected then engine power is reduced accordingly until the spin is reduced/eliminated.
 
#8 ·
Hmm,

Do I trust the computer or the gas pumps? I've had my car for about 2000 miles. The computer has averaged about 10% optimistic over the calculation based on miles travelled/gallons pumped (for example.computer says 27.5, but I figure 25).

This has been pretty consistent regardless of where I've filled the tank. Anybody else have similar experience?
 
#9 ·
I could tell about W8. Well, it eats a lotta premuim. I love the car. But if gas milage is of concern, this is not the car to be in. Perhaps it is due to my right foot (well, I know it is) but my numbers are more in bigger-than-yours SUV land, not in a family sedan category :wink:
 
#10 ·
yeah my W8 gets about 20-24 MPG highway depends on traffic and how i drive it. In the city i average 12-14 again depend on how i drive. I never backed this up with calculations, just what the cars computer told me, and it once told me in one hour i went 50 miles and averaged 53 miles per hour. I dont know how that is possible, no rounding nessisary. Oh well.
 
#12 ·
I'm not really concerned about how *how much* gas the car uses: at 6 cents/mile, it represents less than 20% of my acutal costs.

I just find it odd that the computer thinks the car uses less gas than what I observe by dividing miles travelled by the number of gallons I pump into it.
 
#13 ·
2KT said:
Hmm,

Do I trust the computer or the gas pumps? I've had my car for about 2000 miles. The computer has averaged about 10% optimistic over the calculation based on miles travelled/gallons pumped (for example.computer says 27.5, but I figure 25).

This has been pretty consistent regardless of where I've filled the tank. Anybody else have similar experience?
Again, based on my experience (2003 1.8T, TIP), I have found that the MFA calculation to be accurate to within 1% (-0.77% - it's a little pessimistic). This is based on one year of ownership and a spreadsheet of all my gas fill-ups during the past year.

-Edit- Opps! It's actually the MFA is optomistic by .77%! Gotta watch that numerator/denominator thing.
 
#15 ·
2002 1.8T Variant, and recently I've been averaging 18-21mpg on a tank. That's "city", but much of my commute is on a 6-lane divided road with few lights and little traffic in my direction, so honestly, that's pushing "50-50 mixed" more or less.

Highway mileage usually runs around 28-32, depending on uphill/downhill, etc. We'll see how much my 17s (vs. stock 15" steelies) have changed when we visit my in-laws in a couple of weeks. (That's a 400mi trip, "uphill" around 3500'.)
 
#18 ·
4mo*miles said:
The EPA numbers are pure fantasy. :crazy:
It's an "average", most likely based on EPA's testing on whatever course they use. Just because they got X/Y doesn't mean you'll ever see those (whether you're above or below that). And unless they test lots of samples, it'll be near-impossible to get enough data to even accurately compare two different cars to each other.

It's at least something to compare approximate values. (So, say, comparing an Echo to a Suburban tells you that the Echo will likely get better MPG. ;))
 
#19 ·
Passat Fuel Economy

I'm averaging exactly 20 MPG with my '03 GLX V6 w/Tip, but I do mostly city driving. I haven't used the car on the highway much yet, so I dont have any idea how it will do. BTW, I use 93 octane fuel.

The sticker on my car said 19 city, 27 Hwy. The EPA has a nice web site where you can see the fuel economy ratings of any car: http://www.fueleconomy.gov
 
#20 ·
A few of you mention using "93 octane fuel". What is the difference with the 93 vs. 91 (typical 'super')? And since this is a v6 and the fuel isn't being compressed (a la turbo chargers), why not use a lower grade?

n00b here, so don't freak on me. I use the 91.
 
#21 ·
It's still a high compression engine and the engine management will dial back power (and fuel economy) if it detects knock. 91 AKI is the recommended octane. You should be fine.

In my case, my local octane choice is 87, 89, or 93. So like that 20th anniversary GTI commercial from earlier in the year, "so super premium it is!" :D

PS: So how did the Main Line do with the snow storm?
 
#23 ·
then I will stick with 91 or 93, depending on what's available. I did notice that some places have only 89 and 93 like you said.

The main line got spanked with snow, but when I went out, I didn't drive. I wasn't taking my brand new car out in the snow since I could avoid it! Roads were fine Saturday afternoon though. I was impressed how quickly order was restored.
 
#25 ·
I owned a 2001 V6 FWD and mileage gradually increased over the 65k I owned it. It ended up at about 30-31mpg cruising at 60-65mph. I first noticed the increase at about 35k. I think it was about 22-23mpg in town.
I now drive a 2002 4-mo and mileage is much worse, especially in town. I get about 17 around town and if I baby it I can eek out 26mpg on the highway (35k on it now).
Anyone else notice mileage improving so late? I know it's typically not quite as good for the first 1-2k, but 35k seems like a long time for the engine to find its sweet spot.
 
#26 ·
My 2003 1.8 T Passat was the first car I owned where the gas sticker on the car which read 21 city and 30 hwy that was actually right!

I normally get 23-25 mpg for everday driving (some hwy, some city) and I'll get 31-33 mpg with pure hwy.