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#1 ·
Or does everyone else hate VW's method of reclining the seats? No, instead of being able to put the seat anywhere you want in a seconds time by pulling a lever, you have to roll the wheel for 15 minutes to put the seat all the way back :roll:
I remember going camping and I slept in the Beetle, it took like the whole weekend to bring the seat back up!!! :mad:

End rant.
 
#6 ·
jwilker said:
so hate it. the worst is when some one rides in the pass seat and likes to low ride it. Then you go to put your arm on the back of the seat (once they've left) and you can't because it's too far back. You're pretty much stuck until you get home.
I've found it's actually easier to reach behind the seat to grab the wheel and spin it to recline the seat back up, but I feel your pain :cry:

I installed something in the armrest today and I had to move the seat up a few inches, I'm gonna go and adjust it back right now, see ya next week when I'm done!
 
#8 ·
Paradigm said:
jwilker said:
so hate it. the worst is when some one rides in the pass seat and likes to low ride it. Then you go to put your arm on the back of the seat (once they've left) and you can't because it's too far back. You're pretty much stuck until you get home.
I've found it's actually easier to reach behind the seat to grab the wheel and spin it to recline the seat back up, but I feel your pain :cry:

I installed something in the armrest today and I had to move the seat up a few inches, I'm gonna go and adjust it back right now, see ya next week when I'm done!
not a bad idea. I'll have to go try that. I've been reaching in fron and can sometimes get one nub and turn but I can only do that like 2-3 times per red light LOL
 
#9 ·
there's a couple reasons why it works like that.

the older mercedes and even BMW had seats that operated in the same manner, as well as saab (as has been noted) and volvo.

with the little wheel, it accommodates for "infinite" adjustment. where as with a lever, you've got "steps."

the europeans have a different design philosophy that other car makers.

just like it took them decades to engineer usable cup holders into their cars, the issue of reclining seats is not a big deal for them.

you see, to them, it doesn't make sense to sip your grande latte mochachino with a shot of espresso while driving your car. in fact, in many countries, drinking and/or eating while driving is illegal. and as a result, they found zero need for having cup holders to accommodate such practices. they expected the driver of the car to do just that.... drive.

the seat issue is quite similar.

things are closer to each other in europe, and the average european doesn't exactly go on very long treks in his car. as a result, seats that quickly and easily reclined to the horizontal position were never really developed.

it was more useful to them to create a seat that had "infinite" adjustment by turning a small knob in smaller increments until you found the position that was "just right" for you.

that's what they needed, it's what they liked, it's what they used, and it's what they sent out to the rest of the world because it was good enough for them.

just like when they didn't put cup holders in their cars.

ps- there was an excellent show on Discovery about this very topic... well, cars and their designs in general, but it went into the seating, the cup holders, and other things pretty specifically.
 
#14 ·
Paradigm said:
Loosle said:
lol, i gotta agree with you on that one 8)
Well, I have to take that back. If it was a $100,000 "weekend car" I probably wouldn't drink in it therefore not needing cupholders. But my daily driver needs cupholders.
I agree 100% at least the B5.5's have useable cup holders - in the front at least not in the back. My girlfriend's Jetta has no practical cup holders. The one's above the radio are terrible, can't use the radio while you drink and the holder she bought for the armrest, you can't hold anything bigger than something the size of a can or at a stop sign out it goes!!! :crazy:
 
#16 ·
Paradigm said:
Or does everyone else hate VW's method of reclining the seats? No, instead of being able to put the seat anywhere you want in a seconds time by pulling a lever, you have to roll the wheel for 15 minutes to put the seat all the way back :roll:
I remember going camping and I slept in the Beetle, it took like the whole weekend to bring the seat back up!!! :mad:

End rant.
I agree that what we are used to is not what VW offers, but........if you do not put pressure (leaning back while trying to adjust the seat up or back), then you may find it turns a little easier. Try it next time. Sit in the car and lean up so your not really putting pressure on the seat back. Then try to turn the wheel. It should be a little easier. At least that's what I've found.
 
#18 ·
I think everyone is missing the added feature benefit...

Its Spouse proof. My wife finds it such a pain the only adjustments I have to deal with is Front to rear and height... and I wish those had PITA turny knobs as well.
I HATE jumping in only to find my head in the ceiling and the steering wheel in my chest.

Its my car, my seat, if you dont like it drive your car :shock:
 
#20 ·
infinite adjustment works for me! if i'm changing seatback angles, it's only in minor amounts so it's just a couple turns (if that). definately don't like levers.

who cares about cupholders. the shitty ones in the B5 are just fine and i drive quite often with hot drinks.
 
#21 ·
Medrosje said:
infinite adjustment works for me! if i'm changing seatback angles, it's only in minor amounts so it's just a couple turns (if that). definately don't like levers.
I've never found a car with a lever action recliner that I couldn't find a comfortable spot. The only difference is that I can change it in 2 seconds opposed to 10 minutes. At least I still have memories of being able to recline the seat all the way back to relax while waiting in the car.
who cares about cupholders. the shitty ones in the B5 are just fine and i drive quite often with hot drinks.
I care about them, as I stated a few times above. The shitty cupholders in B5s get in the passengers way, can't hold a pair of large cups, and have caused many stained Passats.
 
#22 ·
what size cup do you need larger than a medium dunkin donuts or 12 oz. dunkin donuts can?

i guess everybody has their own needs. 53 months and 104700 miles later, lots of coffee drank, so noticeable issues with spilt drinks (but i'm anal about people drinking in my car and being careful)
 
#25 ·
I understand your pain. However, I actually prefer the aforementioned mechanism for the reasons mentioned above: namely, the availabilityh of infinite positions. In addition, I think that this kind of mechanism is stronger and is far less likely to be damaged. Enabling people to swing the seat all the way from end-to-end provides greater opportunity to sprain the mechanism. The european method, however, is a more gradual and consequently more foolproof way IMHO.
 
#26 ·
Paradigm said:
I don't care how nice the car is, if it doesn't have cupholders I won't drive it.
the blokes that installed my navigation bezel are proud of the fact that they custom fabricated a cup holder for a ferrari. they called ferrari and asked if there was ANYTHING that the factory has that they could order. apparently ferrari was insulted and hung up on them (or to that effect). so the installer, wanting to please the customer, custom made the right plastic/etc pieces and, well, put a cupholder in a ferrari.

the customer is always right. that still holds for today, even though most people/companies have long forgotton it.