1) No it won't wash off Zainogrommit said:1. Does Dawn dishwashing liquid wash it off like it washes off wax? Since it is a polymer sealer, I am guessing it does not, correct?
2. Should I polish the car first? Their website says to wash and claybar, but nothing about using any type of polish. Does it depend on paint condition?
3. Is it good to use on glass?
4. Can I use it on my headlights, or will they get too hot?
Thanks!
Yes, any abrasive polish will do. Never, I repeat NEVER use Dawn on your car. Your better of using a paint cleaner or a abrasive polish.grommit said:Jesstzn,
Thank you for the information and quick response.
So, if you want to remove Zaino, how do you remove it, if Dawn does not strip it off? I think I may have Zaino'd some hard water spots in, and when I do the full detail in the Fall, I want the surface perfect. Use a polish to remove them? I was thinking Menzerna.
Taken from Meguiars online...woodster76 said:I don't know if I can agree about the Dawn dish soap to be bad for your car? I have been detailing cars for a while now and this is mine. I use it always to strip wax, but it won't strip Zaino thats for sure. Here is a pic of mine after a dawn wash with clay and P&S Xpress Wax. Bottom line is everyone has different preferences of stripping wax. You tell me if Dawn is damaging to paint.
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Dawn is also known to dry out and eat at rubber seals. Now why would you want to do that to your car?Everyone's entitled to his or her opinion. Claiming high alkaline products like Dawn will never harm the paint finish in my opinion is a little misleading. Dawn is a strong detergent wash designed for breaking down animal fats, grease and oil. Brand new paint is fairly impermeable, but over time with normal wear and tear, all paints become more permeable. Washing with strong detergents will accelerate the deterioration process.
High alkaline, strong detergent washes will dull your paint. It certainly will not make it deeper, more reflective, and glossier.
Who uses Simple Green or Tarminator to wash thier WHOLE car? The real question is Why even use a product not intended for automotive paints? I for one would NEVER put DAWN on my car or one of my customers cars.Jesstzn said:Geeezz .. let the fear mongering begin .. Yes Dawn is high alkaline and yes its not the nicest on paint and rubber but christ .. no one is saying use Dawn weekly ..
Dawn is not going to make your paint fall off or your rubber rot off from around your windows if used once a year as part of a major detail prep in the Zaino protocol.
I agree .. if your using it for you weekly wash your goofy.
Some here think nothing of using Simple Green on thier cars or things like Tarminator that contains Xylene and many other products like that then go ballistic when they hear the word Dawn.
BTW to remove Zaino a less invasive way than a polish is to use Rubbing Alcohol 50/50 mix with water.
The polishes and cleansers mentioned above if I'm not mistaken all contain oils , I know the 1Z does and this will have to be removed before the next Zaino application .
Alternate to all the above to remove Zaino is Klasse AIO and it also preps the surface and is Zaino safe.
Call up Sal Zaino and tell him you know more that he does .. I'm sure he will appreciate it. And as far as the fear mongering goes .. there is such a thing as pointing out the *possible* issues you can encounter as opposed to "Never, I repeat NEVER use Dawn on your car" with no reasons given.AntWrig said:[Who uses Simple Green or Tarminator to wash thier WHOLE car? The real question is Why even use a product not intended for automotive paints? I for one would NEVER put DAWN on my car or one of my customers cars.
If Sal loves DAWN so much, then why is he making a paint cleaner to remove the DAWN step completely from the Zaino process? :suspicio:Jesstzn said:Call up Sal Zaino and tell him you know more that he does .. I'm sure he will appreciate it. And as far as the fear mongering goes .. there is such a thing as pointing out the *possible* issues you can encounter as opposed to "Never, I repeat NEVER use Dawn on your car" with no reasons given.AntWrig said:[Who uses Simple Green or Tarminator to wash thier WHOLE car? The real question is Why even use a product not intended for automotive paints? I for one would NEVER put DAWN on my car or one of my customers cars.
Zaino specifies Dawn for a specific reason and thats to clean the surface of waxes and oils prior to the first layer of Zaino .. The reason they don't say "Use a paint cleaner" is because not all of them are oil free.
And I'll repeat again once a year will hurt nothing .. and the quote from Meguiars site.. good point but also good marketing .. Lets all pay $15 a bottle when $0.20 worth of product will do once a year.
As for Tarminator on the whole car .. right.. but its ok to use Xylene on the hood ?? .. People will us Tarminator all over the hood and sides without a thought because it is a boutique product when Mineral Spirits will do a safer job at 1/10 of the price.
And we all use all kinds of products throughout our detailing and some were *never* intended for automotive use.
And there is reference to chemicals in Dawn ( Ethyl Alcohol and Protease ) ... All most paint cleansers are is chemicals.
Here is the MSDS for Dawn .. Have a look .. its pretty passive .. Now look up some of your paint cleansers ( if you can find them ) and see which looks more scary.
Ok .. we are talking Zaino here .. scroll up to the original post .. and to fall in line with jwils above .. I quote the Zaino site and #3 in the Application tips .jwil said:It's a simple thing for me, find a product that is meant specifically to clean and prep automotive finishes before waxing, and is compatible with your wax system, and leave the dish soap next to the sink.
Jesstzn said:Geeezz .. let the fear mongering begin .. Yes Dawn is high alkaline and yes its not the nicest on paint and rubber but christ .. no one is saying use Dawn weekly ..
Dawn is not going to make your paint fall off or your rubber rot off from around your windows if used once a year as part of a major detail prep in the Zaino protocol.
I agree .. if your using it for you weekly wash your goofy.
Some here think nothing of using Simple Green on thier cars or things like Tarminator that contains Xylene and many other products like that then go ballistic when they hear the word Dawn.
BTW to remove Zaino a less invasive way than a polish is to use Rubbing Alcohol 50/50 mix with water.
The polishes and cleansers mentioned above if I'm not mistaken all contain oils , I know the 1Z does and this will have to be removed before the next Zaino application .
Alternate to all the above to remove Zaino is Klasse AIO and it also preps the surface and is Zaino safe.
