baisee00 (sp?) has 17" mesh wheels. I beleive they are Rondells. Wheel exchange sells them. Discount Tire has a Rage Euro that I was looking at getting. They looke like baisee00's and the flik wasps minus the rivets. According to discount they weigh 21 pounds each. Not the lightest but not to heavy. Pretty good price too, especially when you consider you can get them delivered to a Discount Tire store and they will mount and balance (with lifetime balance and rotate) the tires for you at no extra cost as long as you are buying tires from them as well. www.discounttire.com and baisee00's page http://www.clubb5.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=38324