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As I post this, today marks the Autumn Equinox, which means summer has come and gone. The US 2020 Passat was supposed to arrive in showrooms in the summer of 2019. Even the folks at VW.com can't give me an answer.More importantly, I sometimes feel as though I'm one of very few that even cares. On one Passat-related FB group I belong to, the person that created it even said something along these lines: " The American Passat is garbage compared to what Europeans get," and yet....a 2020 model that appeared at the Detroit Auto Show back in January appears as this group's cover photo! A bit hypocritical, to say the least, in light of this guy's attitude..
At 60 years of age, I'm not a computer whiz and navigating my way around social media isn't something I grew up knowing how to do, but needless to say, now that I've figured out how to leave this group, I will, but not before telling them why.

But now, back to the 2020 US Passat, or if you prefer, NMS II:

I'm the first to realize that Passats aren't VWs that get much love, especially on this side of the Pond. When I go to VW shows, I'm lucky to see 3 Passats of any generation, including Dashers and Quantums, show up. Instead, on the water-cooled side, you'll see GTIs, Jetta GLIs, Golf Rs, and old Rabbits, Sciroccos, and Corrados. However, Passat groups do exist such as this one and others on Facebook. Thus, the question I have is this: Why do so few seem to care anything about the upcoming 2020? It's as if the B5s have become the water-cooled equivalent of the Type 1 Beetles and that nobody cares about Passats made after 2005.

In case nobody knew, the Passat is not only the 10th-bestselling car of all time, but also the TOP-selling family sedan on the planet. I know. With all the Camrys, Accords, Altimas, Sonatas, etc, you'd never know that if you happen to live in the US, but still.....the apathy among what few Passat discussion forums that do exist here in the States is puzzling. The 2019 models aren't selling worth a damn and the 2020 can't come soon enough IMO. It may not make a difference in 10 years or so if VW goes all-electric as they plan, unless by some miracle the Vizzion Concept is badged as a Passat, but either way, the prices of EVs are going to have to come WAY down before I'll ever be interested in one. This is the same reason I won't buy an Arteon, which is said to be a lot closer to what the Europeans get as a Passat, but my thinking is : Why pay $40,000-$50,000 for an Arteon when I can get a Passat in the mid-$20Ks? I'll give up 2 forward speeds and settle for an 8-year-old platform to save that kind of money any day.

I'm hoping there are others who are like-minded, but I have to wonder about that........
 

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People in general seem to have left forums like VWvortex and Passatworld and migrated onto Facebook groups.
A sign of the times.
 

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I noticed the same issues while looking for a Passat, I bought a certified 2018 SEL in August of this year from a dealer and love the fact that I do not see as many Passats as other makes while driving around. The extra long warranty is also a comfort. In 2018, only around 41K Passats were sold in US, and in 2019 with only 2 trims, so far less than 15K were sold.
Dealers were not getting inventory to sell in 2019, and Ford dropped 2 sedan models. The 2020s in each trim are a bargain compared to the competition so let's see what the future holds.
I am very happy with my 2018 Passat which has a longer warranty than if I bought new, and even happier because my car does not look like a space ship.
Don't worry be happy,
 

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My wife's 2017 Passat is still young, so I'm not in the market for a 2020. It has been an excellent family car (it replaced a 2012 Passat TDI). My wife commutes in it, and it's what we choose any time we need to make a longish drive because it's roomy and comfortable.
 

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It does not need to be a 2020, a used 2018 and up comes with what is left of the 6 year or 72K warranty, and if a certified used, an extra 12K and 1 year added to the original warranty.
Price an extra warranty in the marketplace for years and miles to compare whether it makes sense $$ for the piece of mind. :)
 

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I noticed the same issues while looking for a Passat, I bought a certified 2018 SEL in August of this year from a dealer and love the fact that I do not see as many Passats as other makes while driving around. The extra long warranty is also a comfort. In 2018, only around 41K Passats were sold in US, and in 2019 with only 2 trims, so far less than 15K were sold.
Dealers were not getting inventory to sell in 2019, and Ford dropped 2 sedan models. The 2020s in each trim are a bargain compared to the competition so let's see what the future holds.
I am very happy with my 2018 Passat which has a longer warranty than if I bought new, and even happier because my car does not look like a space ship.
Don't worry be happy,
It's just frustrating to see the apathy among what's left of online Passat-specific discussions. I've tried a few different Passat groups on FB, but they're all either in some distant country thousands of miles away from the US and get a completely different Passat to boot, or you have very rude and insensitive comments as opposed to constuctive and welcoming feedback. I'm not in the market for a 2020 either at this time because my 2014 has lots of life left. I'm just hoping that the 2020 generation (I guess NMS II for us in the US) survives the current SUV/Crossover infatuation that has taken hold here. I've been told two different things by a couple of people at the same VW dealership in my town: A) A service advisor says that if the 2020 doesn't reach a certain number of sales, there will be no 2021 model, and B) a different salesperson says VW would not redesign a car's body lines albeit staying on an 8-year-old platform if the plan was to kill it after just one year, and she believes it'll be around for at least 5 years. My hope is that she's right and the Service Advisor is wrong. Five years would take us to 2025, and my hope is that the Vizzion and/or Space Vizzion will become the next Passat sedan and wagon, respectively. If this happens, I just hope they don't cost $50,000!
 

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VW has seldom been consciously in tune with the American market (except for the Atlas). They design for Germans, and occasionally that syncs up with what “the collective we” like here too. Unfortunately, “we” like big gas guzzlers right now, and there’s a trend toward fancy electrics too. VW misplayed the Arteon card, and the Passat just doesn’t seem to gain traction here. Maybe they’ll succeed at the next economic downturn.
 

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The Tiguan also does well for VW here, but I've noticed for the past 3 months that the Jetta has been VWoA's bestselling model.That could be just a mere fluke, or maybe there's better deals on Jettas for now, but it would be nice if the dominance of SUVs was beginning to dwindle a bit. I believe electrics are going to have to come WAY down in price if VW is to be successful with them here in the US. That new ID Crozz that's coming is just one example: the projected starting price is said to be about $40,000. At that price, I think it willl just sit on lots while people buy gas Tiguans for $10-$15K less.
 

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Just a thought, what were the electrics doing in Puerto Rico after the hurricane and now after the earthquake with the grid down, and the grid can go down anywhere for many different reasons. Unless they make the hood, trunk lid, and the roof of the vehicle solar panels I would not buy any only electric vehicle, maybe a hybrid if the price of replacement batteries come down, but until then I love the mileage of my 2018 Passat.
 

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I've also heard that superchargers (the ones currently available for Teslas only that still take 30-40 minutes to get 80% of a full charge) accelerate the degradation of the batteries, so road trips (which I do frequently) would either take several days because you could only cover 250-300 miles at a time (and that's hoping the motel you stop at has an overnight charger) or you'd go ahead and use superchargers which would not only mean going through batteries more frequently, but even then, trip times would be like regressing back to the days of the 55 mph speed limit. I drove in those days, and it sucked! My 2014 Passat with the 1.8 can go 550-600 miles on one tank at 70-80 mph all day long.
 

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FYI, some may have already seen some on the road or in dealers, but 2020 production of the MKII NMS for the US started 9/4/19. 2021 models will start production 7/20/20.
 

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VAGguy: do you know this for sure? Especially the 2021 production? My dealership (granted , I live in a town of 70,000 about 90 miles east of Minneapolis, so it's not a big VW franchise) didn't get any 2020s until the first part of December. They only have 3 in stock, an R-Line, a Base S, and a mid-level SE . The R-line and SE already have a "$4000 off" sign in the windows. I hope they're selling better at the bigger dealerships.......Guess I'll find out when January numbers come up on the VW Media site.
 

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Yes, my company gets that info directly from each motor company.


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