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I've got a 12" scratch on my wife's car that appears to be in the clear coat but not the paint. Is there a way to remove this scratch without harming the paint?

I've seen a lot of talk about a clay bar but I'm not sure what it is, where you buy it, or how to use it. Any info would be appreciated.

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Clay barring guide!

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=658332
To me ‘Claying’ is one of the most important steps in the car care process. The Clay will do a deep cleaning of the paint with its ability to safely remove Overspray, Rail Dust, Light Tree Sap Residue, Bug Splatter, Industrial Fallout and General Road Grime. Not only do they remove the surface contaminants but the added benefit is that your wax will form a much longer lasting bond with your paint after the surface has been cleaned with a clay bar.
But what is a clay bar? It is similar in appearance to PlayDough. In fact, there are nearly as many colors of clay bars as there are of PlayDough. However, it's texture is close to Silly Putty. But it is NOT a toy! Clay Bars are serious business.
Considering the thinness of today's paints Professional Detailers and Body Shops often use clay bars in place of a rotary buffer to remove surface contaminants. Although it might be a minute stretch of the truth to say that clay bars don't contain abrasives they are generally considered to be safe on all painted surfaces, chrome, wheels and windows.
Clay bars were originally were used in the early 1900's to remove overspray from automotive finishes during a rather crude period of car care in the automotive industry. Clay bars, back then, were rather unrefined when compared to today's synthetic clay bars.
This unique "clay-like" surface cleaning material is specifically formulated to remove stubborn contaminants from the paint finish of automobiles that cannot be removed using regular cleaning methods and are easy to use, and most clay bars are safe for all paint finishes, including clear coats [see guide below]. It works best with a surface lubrication that is included with most retail packs.
One 7oz clay bar will last an average of 25 cars.
Before beginning make sure you have the following:
(Clay Bar and Lube) A Clay Bar System [see guide below]
(Towel) 100% Cotton Hand Size Towel or a MicroFiber Towel (90,000 threads per square inch)
(Wrapper) Cellophane Cigarette Wrapper
In a well-lit, cool and dry area:
Step 1: Check for Surface Contaminants.
Technique: With two fingers inside the Wrapper gently glide it across the Surface. This will magnify any amount of Surface Contamination.
Tech Tip: Do not press down hard as you may free up some of the Surface Contaminants and scratch the Surface.
Step 2: Break off a 2 oz. portion of the Clay Bar.
Technique: Break off a 2oz piece of the Clay and roll it into a ball (store the remainder of the Clay in the container).
Tech Tip: If the Clay Bar is ever dropped onto the floor discard IMMEDIATELY.
Step 3: Saturate the Surface with the Lube.
Technique: Mist the Lube onto the Surface.
Step 4: Rub the Clay Bar onto the Surface.
Technique: Firmly press the ball of the Clay Bar onto the Surface to mold it to the contour of the Surface. Rub the Clay Bar on the Surface in a side-to-side motion with the Contour of the Panel.
Tech Tip: If the Surface begins to show any signs of drying wet again with the Lube.
Step 5: Wipe the Surface with the Towel.
Technique: Do not press hard onto the Surface with the Towel as you may induce some light surface scratches.
Tech Tip As you move from panel to panel 'fold' the clay to a new section.
Step 6: Inspect the Surface.
Technique: With the Wrapper inspect the Surface as in Step 1
Tech Tip: If the Surface still has some roughness to it repeat Steps 2 through 5.


And link to a video, if you're hesitant about doing it.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=658332#5953507
 

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Regarding the scratch .. if you can catch your fingernail in it prolly means your going to have to have a pro detailer with a rotary to *try* and take it out.

If you can't catch your fingernail in it Meguiars ScratchX and a bunch of elbow grease could do it for you unless you have a R/A buffer and polishes.
 

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Have it wet-sanded and buffed by a reputable body-shop. You will be surprized what they can do. Some may tell you it has to be repainted, most times not.

If the scratch is kind of deep, most good buff tech's can get it two the point that
it's not that noticeable.
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just a couple of questions:

1) Do I need to remove the wax applied 3 months ago before clay baring?

2) What do I use as a lube?

3) Can I go straight to wax after clay, or do I need a polish in between? If so, what kind?

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1) no

2) Quick Detailer Spray

3) Depends on if you have swirls to remove or not.
 

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Darth Volkswagen said:
Clay barring guide!

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=658332
To me ?Claying? is one of the most important steps in the car care process. The Clay will do a deep cleaning of the paint with its ability to safely remove Overspray, Rail Dust, Light Tree Sap Residue, Bug Splatter, Industrial Fallout and General Road Grime. Not only do they remove the surface contaminants but the added benefit is that your wax will form a much longer lasting bond with your paint after the surface has been cleaned with a clay bar.
But what is a clay bar? It is similar in appearance to PlayDough. In fact, there are nearly as many colors of clay bars as there are of PlayDough. However, it's texture is close to Silly Putty. But it is NOT a toy! Clay Bars are serious business.
Considering the thinness of today's paints Professional Detailers and Body Shops often use clay bars in place of a rotary buffer to remove surface contaminants. Although it might be a minute stretch of the truth to say that clay bars don't contain abrasives they are generally considered to be safe on all painted surfaces, chrome, wheels and windows.
Clay bars were originally were used in the early 1900's to remove overspray from automotive finishes during a rather crude period of car care in the automotive industry. Clay bars, back then, were rather unrefined when compared to today's synthetic clay bars.
This unique "clay-like" surface cleaning material is specifically formulated to remove stubborn contaminants from the paint finish of automobiles that cannot be removed using regular cleaning methods and are easy to use, and most clay bars are safe for all paint finishes, including clear coats [see guide below]. It works best with a surface lubrication that is included with most retail packs.
One 7oz clay bar will last an average of 25 cars.
Before beginning make sure you have the following:
(Clay Bar and Lube) A Clay Bar System [see guide below]
(Towel) 100% Cotton Hand Size Towel or a MicroFiber Towel (90,000 threads per square inch)
(Wrapper) Cellophane Cigarette Wrapper
In a well-lit, cool and dry area:
Step 1: Check for Surface Contaminants.
Technique: With two fingers inside the Wrapper gently glide it across the Surface. This will magnify any amount of Surface Contamination.
Tech Tip: Do not press down hard as you may free up some of the Surface Contaminants and scratch the Surface.
Step 2: Break off a 2 oz. portion of the Clay Bar.
Technique: Break off a 2oz piece of the Clay and roll it into a ball (store the remainder of the Clay in the container).
Tech Tip: If the Clay Bar is ever dropped onto the floor discard IMMEDIATELY.
Step 3: Saturate the Surface with the Lube.
Technique: Mist the Lube onto the Surface.
Step 4: Rub the Clay Bar onto the Surface.
Technique: Firmly press the ball of the Clay Bar onto the Surface to mold it to the contour of the Surface. Rub the Clay Bar on the Surface in a side-to-side motion with the Contour of the Panel.
Tech Tip: If the Surface begins to show any signs of drying wet again with the Lube.
Step 5: Wipe the Surface with the Towel.
Technique: Do not press hard onto the Surface with the Towel as you may induce some light surface scratches.
Tech Tip As you move from panel to panel 'fold' the clay to a new section.
Step 6: Inspect the Surface.
Technique: With the Wrapper inspect the Surface as in Step 1
Tech Tip: If the Surface still has some roughness to it repeat Steps 2 through 5.


And link to a video, if you're hesitant about doing it.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=658332#5953507
Thanks for your very detailed review :bow: Once again, ClubB5 comes through!

Tom
 

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Darth Volkswagen said:
Clay barring guide!

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=658332
To me ?Claying? is one of the most important steps in the car care process. The Clay will do a deep cleaning of the paint with its ability to safely remove Overspray, Rail Dust, Light Tree Sap Residue, Bug Splatter, Industrial Fallout and General Road Grime. Not only do they remove the surface contaminants but the added benefit is that your wax will form a much longer lasting bond with your paint after the surface has been cleaned with a clay bar.
But what is a clay bar? It is similar in appearance to PlayDough. In fact, there are nearly as many colors of clay bars as there are of PlayDough. However, it's texture is close to Silly Putty. But it is NOT a toy! Clay Bars are serious business.
Considering the thinness of today's paints Professional Detailers and Body Shops often use clay bars in place of a rotary buffer to remove surface contaminants. Although it might be a minute stretch of the truth to say that clay bars don't contain abrasives they are generally considered to be safe on all painted surfaces, chrome, wheels and windows.
Clay bars were originally were used in the early 1900's to remove overspray from automotive finishes during a rather crude period of car care in the automotive industry. Clay bars, back then, were rather unrefined when compared to today's synthetic clay bars.
This unique "clay-like" surface cleaning material is specifically formulated to remove stubborn contaminants from the paint finish of automobiles that cannot be removed using regular cleaning methods and are easy to use, and most clay bars are safe for all paint finishes, including clear coats [see guide below]. It works best with a surface lubrication that is included with most retail packs.
One 7oz clay bar will last an average of 25 cars.
Before beginning make sure you have the following:
(Clay Bar and Lube) A Clay Bar System [see guide below]
(Towel) 100% Cotton Hand Size Towel or a MicroFiber Towel (90,000 threads per square inch)
(Wrapper) Cellophane Cigarette Wrapper
In a well-lit, cool and dry area:
Step 1: Check for Surface Contaminants.
Technique: With two fingers inside the Wrapper gently glide it across the Surface. This will magnify any amount of Surface Contamination.
Tech Tip: Do not press down hard as you may free up some of the Surface Contaminants and scratch the Surface.
Step 2: Break off a 2 oz. portion of the Clay Bar.
Technique: Break off a 2oz piece of the Clay and roll it into a ball (store the remainder of the Clay in the container).
Tech Tip: If the Clay Bar is ever dropped onto the floor discard IMMEDIATELY.
Step 3: Saturate the Surface with the Lube.
Technique: Mist the Lube onto the Surface.
Step 4: Rub the Clay Bar onto the Surface.
Technique: Firmly press the ball of the Clay Bar onto the Surface to mold it to the contour of the Surface. Rub the Clay Bar on the Surface in a side-to-side motion with the Contour of the Panel.
Tech Tip: If the Surface begins to show any signs of drying wet again with the Lube.
Step 5: Wipe the Surface with the Towel.
Technique: Do not press hard onto the Surface with the Towel as you may induce some light surface scratches.
Tech Tip As you move from panel to panel 'fold' the clay to a new section.
Step 6: Inspect the Surface.
Technique: With the Wrapper inspect the Surface as in Step 1
Tech Tip: If the Surface still has some roughness to it repeat Steps 2 through 5.


And link to a video, if you're hesitant about doing it.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=658332#5953507
Thanks for your very detailed review :bow: Once again, ClubB5 comes through!

Tom
 
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