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Need a little advice...Please read fully for the background of this...

So I just got back from one of my last elective classes, a History class that discusses the rise of the US since 1860, and something dawned on me today that kinda pissed me off... :mad:

My professor for that class is GREAT! He's older, probably around 60-some. He's energetic, very charismatic, very nice, very organized, and his class is the only large history class that I've never seen anyone fall asleep in. I mean, honestly, he's a great teacher and I can't stress this enough. :thumbup:

However, this guy is a die-hard, moderately-extreme leftist Dem. Not that that is a bad thing at all, since I don't ever really take (D) or (R) sides in politics, I just take the side of who ever it is that I agree with, so I usually end up being labeled as both at one time or another, depending on what issue is at hand. I consider myself totally independent and neutral; like the Switzerland of politics. :wink: But that's not the problem and that's not really what I'm writing this for...

The problem with this guy, the thing that really pisses me off about him is how he sometimes mixes his political views with the history lesson he's supposed to be teaching.

For example, whenever he talks about something bad that happened in the US, he compares it to "Liar Bush" and the "current, terrible administration", or "the scammers"...yadda this, and yadda that. He always has to cut-down the current administration, etc. Not in a sly way either, but in a very stern and cohearsing manner. :mad: :crazy:

He's just really, really rude about it, and it truly concerns me because I think he is pushing his political views upon the other people in this class who don't have enough of a political mind to think or decide for themselves yet. Most of these kids are really really influenced by this type of stuff.
Granted, I'm only 24, but some of the kids in this class are 18-19 years old and they're more easily swayed from neutrality!

So basically, this whole rant's purpose is to help me decide what I should do. I want to tell him that he shouldn't mix his political views with the history lesson at hand, but then again, who am I to say that? What grounds do I have to tell him something like that when it's HIS class? :???:

I just think it's flat-out wrong that he is doing what he is doing and I think it should stop. Something should be done about it. It's no wonder most college grads are leftists with all this wacky brainwashing in schools. :weirdo:

If it were just me in that class I would let it all slide off my back, but it's not just me, there are about 80 other people that he is just pretty much brainwashing right now. :roll: :thumbdow:

What should I do?

-Harry

PS....Just as a disclaimer, if this guy were cutting down the Clinton administration in this same manner, I would be equally pissed.
 

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Learn to live with it?

Every history/poli-sci teacher I ever had mixed their opinions with their teachings.
I had several hard-core plaid pant/white belt republican history techers in college
and I survived . . . no white belts for several years now!!! I also dealt with the leftists as well, and I still shave and bathe.

A side note on this issue:
"If you're not a liberal at 20, you have no heart, and if you're not a conservative at 40, you have no head."-- Sir Winston Churchill

edit - correct quote
 

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Basically if those kids are nieve enought to get swayed by his views, well that's unfortunate. As long as you can keep your views thier should be no problem, let him bash bush all day long(hell people do it here all day too). Just get your grade and get the hell out of there. I think you have more to lose by opening your mouth than to gain :thumbup:


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I respect your opinion. And I've had teachers get wise-cracks in here and there before, but never even close to this bad. This is the type of thing that people have to "learn to live with" all the time, and I understand that, but you shouldn't have to "learn to live with it" if it's not right!

-I just think it's BS and teachers shouldn't be allowed to brainwash.

-Give your opinion while teaching, but don't make it sound like it's the absolute truth.

-Do it on your off-time, but not while you're on the podium as a History teacher.

^^^That's all I'm really saying.

There should be some kind of friggin law against that while you're teaching. :roll:
 

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Every single poly sci/hist/lib arts teacher has espouses a political stance in class, some more extreme than overs. If his radical views have taught you to reevaluate your own opinions and form stronger interpretations, then he's done his job well. You can't expect them not to have opinions, most these professors have written tons of papers, books, etc. and they HAVE to take a position, otherwise, they wouldn't be tenured...

As long as his strong opinions do not detrimentally effect your grade if you take an opposing stance in a paper or project, then there's nothing to worry about.
 

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Interestingly the Colorado state senate agree's with you. The state funded universities (The Univeristy of Colorado in this case) are going to have to be a LOT more carefull of political matters being inserted into standard coursework. I know this isn't much help to you in your situation (in Cali) but it might be good to know that other systems of goverment are looking at it. It's known that this happens (I'd bet on both sides of the coin, to be fair) and it's kinda BS that the "people" pay for this (at state funded institutions) and may have a 180deg. different point of view.

As for the one professor, it probably won't help, but I'd say something to him (post grade of course) about how you feel. If he know's peope leave his course with a bad taste in their mouths (you might even add that you were independant, and after his rantings you're agreeing more with the OTHER side, even if it's not true...you get the point) maybe he'll give it some thought. Probably not, considering most rather single minded people tend to stay that way and only defend one side of an arguement, but you never know.

Just my .02
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unless you're learning math or science, everything you learn from a teacher is THEIR OPINION.

go into school realizing that. teachers are just people with opinions like the rest of us. they're not gods or even all that wise, quite often. (hey, just like people of the clergy...) ;)
 

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I've even seen math an science teachers spout their opinions. School, just like everything else, is not a no-opinion zone. Plus, wrangling with opinions can be good thinking practice.
 

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That's what happens in college. Each institution has their own ideals.

In general, you will have very liberal views in a college like Columbia University or Harvard, but a conservative view in a college like Yale. This has to do with their history, and the hiring practices of the college, as well as their geographical location. In Cities like NY or Boston has a liberal tone.

Don't let this bother you, as confronting the professor on this can only get your grade lowered. Just get over and done with the class.
 

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Welcome to the ultra liberal la-la land of academia. Bear and grind it, there is nothing you can do about it, and even though young people are easily influenced, they will eventually develop their own point of view on life and politics, save for few dumb asses who have to be led by their hand all their lives. So all is fine and dandy.
 

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It's good to read everyone's opinions about this thus far. I like the different angles.

Just to reiterate, I don't have a problem with his opinion at all. It's his opinion and that's great! (Who's to say I don't agree with him half the time?)

I am just trying to say that it I don't think it's a good thing if you have a professor who makes derogatory remarks about the current administration at every chance he gets.
That's his opinion, and being that he's supposed to be teaching everyone in the room, which puts him in a higher position to where some people "look up to him", to me it's almost like he's using that to his advantage to get a political message across when we're just there to learn History, NOT sit in on a political rally each time. Once most people hear things over and over again they start to stick, you know? :weirdo:

It's like if you keep telling your daughter she's fat because that's your opinion. Pretty soon she'll start thinking she's fat. Most people regard that as wrong, so why isn't this wrong? :???:

And with the bulk of my classes in the past few years being of Math or Science, I can see that it's easier NOT to impose a certain view since they're both fact-based.

However, is History not fact-based as well? All of the events in history are set-in-stone, just as the Laws in Math and Sciences are pretty much set-in-stone. Why would political remarks have to be mixed in in order for the material to be learned? :???: I'm confident that I could teach a History class without even giving a *hint* of my political standing. :shock:


Basically, once the influenced people are pulled over from neutrality by his views, it gives the opposing party (Republicans in this case) a distinct disadvantage because only one side of the story has been told so that's all the person know at that point. That's just wrong!!! :crazy:

Maybe I'll just write to Bush, tell him that his pals in academia are taking future votes away from his party and see if he thinks that's unfair. :p

-Harry
 

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A college's main goal is to teach its students to think.
Throughout your life you will be bombarded with different views of the same subject. All history books are ore one-sided in one way or another. The successful student will be able to listen to these different views of issues and formulate their own opinions... which, as Sir Churchill pointed out will change as you age. There's no such thing as neutrality.
 

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Do you realize you are no the left coast and that is you speek up about him being a left wing zelot YOU are the person who will bare the brunt of his rath? In any class it is the professors way right or wrong, as an example in my poli-sci class in collage on of the TA (who figure our grades) didn't like me. I am a political junkie and know a lot about what is going on in the world. She hated me because I am conservative and the prof didn't mind other views so I expressed them. In the end I was .03% from a perfect score and got a B+ in the class. I had the highest grate going into the final and aced it. When I got my grade and took them to the prof he FIRED her. I also gave my opinion in another call where the prof took me aside after class and told me if I didn't do it his way I wasn't going to pass. I let it go untill after the class ended. They only care about free speach if they are the ones being free if you have a different opinion the whole free speech thing goes right out the window. If you are a conservative you WILL not make it in most college situations you will be labled a racist, facist, bigot, and etc. They are never labled communists, scialists, theives, and etc. I am a right wing zelot and proud to call myself conservative. I beleave what I make is mine and if someone wants what I have they can go out and earn it just like I have.
 

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It works both ways. A lot of econ classes I've taken are controlled by conservative jerk-offs, who don't mind including their politics with their lectures. Who cares, live with it. If you have a serious issue with it (are afraid that his views will somehow effect you and make you a liberal too??!), take your professor out drinking and spew him your agenda.
 

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Harry,

With me being in the military, I 'm pretty straightforward. I have always been very honest with people I've dealt with. What would I do? I'd approach the prof in a very respectful manner and ask him to kind of calm down with including his political views with every topic. Call it constructive criticism if you will. I'd definitely do that. Sometimes my mouth gets me into trouble, being EXTREMELY blunt. That's my personality. I have been told that I am this way, but I have never had a grudge held to me because I was brutally honest.

As icing on the cake, AFTER I aced his class, I'd go to a right wing conservative rally, take pictures of myself, and email them to him. :lol:
 

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They are teaching you a valuable lesson: they have the power, you do not. If you don't like it, tough - bend down and squeal for your grade.

This is training for corporate America.

I've had prof's of all colors, creeds, parties, and addictions: nod and smile. History and poli sci are particularly good for mini-despots. But there's nothing to keep your Econ, Bus. Law, or English professor from going on a rant. Mine all did. Then my Russian calc ass. prof. would go on rants too. Luckily she was hot and we couldn't understand her! I even attended her tutoring sessions 8)
 
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