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1. I hate HID lights. I absolutely hate them. Everybody puts those painful blue bulbs in them and they blind me when I'm on the road. But, if I'm going to replace my headlamps, I want to get the brightest lights I can. Assuming I go with the Hella OEM HIDs, what choices do I have with the bulbs I can buy? I want something 6000k or less, preferably 5000k or less. No, I don't care if you think I'm a loser, I just want to know if there are any non-blue HID bulbs available for the Hella OEM lamps.

2. If I get these HIDs, I'll lose my foglamps. But I want to keep my foglamps, so I'll eventually get the Hella Micro DE bumper-mount kit. Can I get yellow bulbs for these? As it happens, I don't like white fogs either. Fog is already white -- it doesn't need white lights to make matters worse.
 

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I believe the OEM HIDS come with bulbs that are white, not blue.
What type of bulb does it take, there are a wide variety of yellow bulbs for any side foglamp.
 

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They used to bother me a bit (usually in the rear view mirror) but I've either gotten used to them, gotten blinder, or my self dimming rear view mirror really works better than I thought.
The purple and blues irk me from an aesthetic viewpoint.
Yellow fog lights remind me of the 80's...
 

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I seem to recall a bit on Daniel Stern's website about the fact that blue light is essential for percieving color balance (which is why people like being behind a pair of HIDs) but it's useless for actually seeing anything. Furthermore, some people need blue light to feel comfortable, and some people experience pain from bright blue light, and the two preferences have nothing to do with each other. I'm blessed with both disliking yellow light and being blinded by blue light. (you can guess how much I love night driving!) Correct color balance is therefore critical to me. For example, I only buy those bluish-tinted lightbulbs for my house, to counteract the natural yellow of tungsten-argon light. So much better than the normal bulbs. All I need to do is find the perfect HID bulb and I might be able to stand using them.

I'm 24, by the way.
 

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you are thinking of xenon bulbs which are coated blue to give a whiter output. hids are clear bulbs that give out a bright output with less power. i have 5000k for headlights and 3000k for fogs and love the feel and look.

stock s4 lights on left and mine on right. headlight is actually whiter than as seen in pic.

i've also had the piaa crystal ions yellow fogs and they are just as yellow as the 3000k hids, but not even close on brightness and projection.
 

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ycharlies: All I know is that I see a lot of cars around here (mostly japanese, but some BMWs) that have headlights that are incredibly focused, very blue (at least when I'm looking at them, I have no idea what the color is when the light reflects off other objects), and are painful to look at.

Can you give me brands and bulb specs for your setup? They look more or less like what I want. How did you fit the HID foglights in? Did you have to get special housings? Are those housings similar to the Hella Micro DEs that some B5ers have installed on their cars?
 

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ycharlies: All I know is that I see a lot of cars around here (mostly japanese, but some BMWs) that have headlights that are incredibly focused, very blue (at least when I'm looking at them, I have no idea what the color is when the light reflects off other objects), and are painful to look at.

Can you give me brands and bulb specs for your setup? They look more or less like what I want. How did you fit the HID foglights in? Did you have to get special housings? Are those housings similar to the Hella Micro DEs that some B5ers have installed on their cars?
the bluish appearances of some of these cars are only from an angle. i think it's been discussed a while ago how we are catching an angle of their projected spectrum. but when looking head on they are pretty white. but there are some of them that use 6000k and above that'll give off a blue light.

i have the mculluogh hid conversion kids from hidsin.com. stock housing for headlights and foglights. you have to do a little tweaking for the headlights in order for the bulb to seat properly, but there's a write up for that in the info forum now i believe. as for the fog it's much easier but i had to cut a hole in the back of the housing to sneak through the wire, then seal it up so it's weather proof. the ballast and ignitor are all easy to mount as there are plenty of places to put this in your car.

overall i love the results. so far the headlights have lasted me nearly 3 years. much longer than the hologen bulbs i've tried. the fogs as well.
 

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i would suggest no higher than 5300K for both lowbeams and fogs as you get almost maximum light output in terms of lumens.
If you don;t like white fog light bulbs you can opt for the 3000K HID bulbs which in fact are your 5300K bulbs coated in that same stuff that the other brand bulbs use.

you can check this thread if you are interested in HID lights

http://www.passatworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=206619
I have seen those exact kits rebranded as Philips too. LOL!!!

WITH PROJECTORS

Yes I got Helix projectors with fog lights and put H1 5300K HID lows and H3 3000K HID fogs.

these are the lights
http://render2.snapfish.com/render2...?*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP00|Rup6lQQ|/of=50,590,442

it has a separate low beam, high beam and fog light as well.
http://render2.snapfish.com/render2...?*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP0G|Rup6lQQ|/of=50,590,442

first thing was to prepare the HID bulb installation for the low beams and fog lights. She wanted the high beams to be HID as well but I convinced her it was OVERKILL and you don;t need it.
http://render2.snapfish.com/render2...?*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXPon|Rup6lQQ|/of=50,590,442
picture of the fog light
http://render2.snapfish.com/render2...?*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP0G|Rup6lQQ|/of=50,590,442
H3 bulb comparison
http://render2.snapfish.com/render2...?*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP0e|Rup6lQQ|/of=50,590,442
H1 bulb comparison
http://render2.snapfish.com/render2...?*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP0l|Rup6lQQ|/of=50,590,442
H3's new home
http://render2.snapfish.com/render2...?*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP0G|Rup6lQQ|/of=50,590,442
H1's new home
http://render2.snapfish.com/render2...?*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP0o|Rup6lQQ|/of=50,590,442


drilling hole into the boot
http://render2.snapfish.com/render2...?*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP0l|Rup6lQQ|/of=50,590,442
connecting the wires for the ballasts
http://render2.snapfish.com/render2...?*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP0e|Rup6lQQ|/of=50,590,442

heat shrink
http://render2.snapfish.com/render2...?*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP0P|Rup6lQQ|/of=50,590,442


HID bulb wires
http://render2.snapfish.com/render2...?*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP0Q|Rup6lQQ|/of=50,590,442


one side installed
http://render2.snapfish.com/render2...?*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP0P|Rup6lQQ|/of=50,590,442
projector vs stock
http://render2.snapfish.com/render2...?*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP0G|Rup6lQQ|/of=50,590,442
stock
http://render2.snapfish.com/render2...?*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP0Q|Rup6lQQ|/of=50,590,442

http://render2.snapfish.com/render2...?*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP0Q|Rup6lQQ|/of=50,590,442
I had to remove the bumper to get at these two torx screws
http://render2.snapfish.com/render2...?*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP0P|Rup6lQQ|/of=50,590,442
remove the top two torx screws
http://render2.snapfish.com/render2...?*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP0e|Rup6lQQ|/of=50,590,442
projector for driver's side installed
http://render2.snapfish.com/render2...?*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP0G|Rup6lQQ|/of=50,590,442
screw back these two torxs
http://render2.snapfish.com/render2...?*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP0l|Rup6lQQ|/of=50,590,442

piggy backed the ballasts (one for the yellow fog HID 3000K and the other for the low beam 5300K

http://render2.snapfish.com/render2...?*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP00|Rup6lQQ|/of=50,590,442
http://render2.snapfish.com/render2...?*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP0P|Rup6lQQ|/of=50,590,442
http://render2.snapfish.com/render2...?*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP00|Rup6lQQ|/of=50,590,442

nothing was adjusted right out of the box.

http://render2.snapfish.com/render2...?*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP0e|Rup6lQQ|/of=50,590,442
http://render2.snapfish.com/render2...?*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP0G|Rup6lQQ|/of=50,590,442
low and fogs
http://render2.snapfish.com/render2...?*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP0Q|Rup6lQQ|/of=50,590,442
http://render2.snapfish.com/render2...?*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP0J|Rup6lQQ|/of=50,590,442
http://render2.snapfish.com/render2...?*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP0G|Rup6lQQ|/of=50,590,442
http://render2.snapfish.com/render2...?*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP0e|Rup6lQQ|/of=50,590,442
http://render2.snapfish.com/render2...?*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP0l|Rup6lQQ|/of=50,590,442
http://render2.snapfish.com/render2...?*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP00|Rup6lQQ|/of=50,590,442

http://render2.snapfish.com/render2...?*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP0G|Rup6lQQ|/of=50,590,442
http://render2.snapfish.com/render2...?*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP0a|Rup6lQQ|/of=50,590,442
http://render2.snapfish.com/render2...?*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP0P|Rup6lQQ|/of=50,590,442
http://render2.snapfish.com/render2...?*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP00|Rup6lQQ|/of=50,590,442
http://render2.snapfish.com/render2...?*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP0G|Rup6lQQ|/of=50,590,442
http://render2.snapfish.com/render2...?*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP0G|Rup6lQQ|/of=50,590,442
 
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