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TRW, BAW, or MOOG control arms??

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Found a decent price on 10pc control arm kits (includes tie-rods). They give you a choice between TRW, BAW, and MOOG. Any suggestions? I had a REALLY BAD experience with SIDEM arms from ecs tuning so maybe I should just pay a little more and go with the MAYLE kit... What's the latest experience out there?
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TRW/Lucas makes some quality stuff . . . . they're all the same IMO. All of them will wear down and eventually need replacement. Not much science to a ball joint & some grease. All rubber bushings will dry out and crack with age.

Dave
crew217 said:
TRW/Lucas makes some quality stuff . . . . they're all the same IMO. All of them will wear down and eventually need replacement. Not much science to a ball joint & some grease. All rubber bushings will dry out and crack with age.

Dave
the sidem arms were not the same... many (including myself) reported them failing after only 10k-15k. Thus my concern...
upshot said:
the sidem arms were not the same... many (including myself) reported them failing after only 10k-15k. Thus my concern...
Well that's because they were the old CA design which ECS wonderfully sold to a bunch of people. Go ECS! :thumbdown

A friend of mine has 3 out of the 8 sidems still intact after two years.

Nowadays, all of the ones I've seen all use the same updated dustboot, the bushings look the same and are all dimensionally proportional.

Dave
Where did you find this deal. I am in the market for new control arms and tie rods?
upshot said:
BEWARE . . . those are not "real" euro control arms. Audicentral has been running a scam on those . . . . they're actually chinese CAs which are made off an older design. (kinda sounds like Sidems . . . )

Here's a post on AW describing their scam:

http://forums.audiworld.com/12v/msgs/41116.phtml

oh and you don't get a "choice"

There are a few other auctions selling them for $380ish that properly list them as asian control arms. As mentioned, supposedly they're based off an older design.
I bought outer tie rod ends from this company. Their eBay ad and Web site (newyorkparts.com) state:

"All steel Updated AND Upgraded tie rod ends. Brand NEW BY TRW/BAW!!"

I assumed that meant they were TRW parts (and that BAW was a TRW partner). They even seemed to be using the same images I found on the ECS web site describing the same parts - I implied with TRWs permission.




So, cheap price, "TRW", and fast shipping. I bit and was sent BAW brand parts which, after some research, I discovered were Chinese and not related to TRW. They were the "updated" design - all steel, thicker shaft larger ball...but who knows what the quality is or what wear I'll get out of them. They "looked" fine and I've put 3K on them w/o problem - we'll see how they hold up. The whole thing seemed sketchy, but who knows, maybe the parts are of acceptable quality.

Just my story,

Loren
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Salaryman said:
I bought outer tie rod ends from this company. Their eBay ad and Web site (newyorkparts.com) state:

"All steel Updated AND Upgraded tie rod ends. Brand NEW BY TRW/BAW!!"

I assumed that meant they were TRW parts (and that BAW was a TRW partner). They even seemed to be using the same images I found on the ECS web site describing the same parts - I implied with TRWs permission.




So, cheap price, "TRW", and fast shipping. I bit and was sent BAW brand parts which, after some research, I discovered were Chinese and not related to TRW. They were the "updated" design - all steel, thicker shaft larger ball...but who knows what the quality is or what wear I'll get out of them. They "looked" fine and I've put 3K on them w/o problem - we'll see how they hold up.

Just my story,

Loren
How do you know that they were the larger ball? Meyle is the only company which sells a HD version with an all metal larger ball on them. There was a small change between the 98s & 2000's in the TRE design, so to me, it seems like you got a replica of what comes on the cars right now.

Dave
Maybe - I'm not familiar with the tie rod ends on current Passats. I did an eyeball comparison of what I took off (all-steel OEM part that replaced the original aluminum part) side by side with the BAW/Chinese replacement part. The EXTERIOR diameter of the casting was larger. No tearddown, so no definitive measurement of the ball. Could be a puny ball in a thick housing. on another note, maybe people with extremely large heads just have thicker skulls.:biglaugh: They don't appear to be any smarter...
Salaryman said:
Maybe - I'm not familiar with the tie rod ends on current Passats. I did an eyeball comparison of what I took off (all-steel OEM part that replaced the original aluminum part) side by side with the BAW/Chinese replacement part. The EXTERIOR diameter of the casting was larger. No tearddown, so no definitive measurement of the ball. Could be a puny ball in a thick housing. on another note, maybe people with extremely large heads just have thicker skulls.:biglaugh: They don't appear to be any smarter...
Ah, you have regular OEM sized ones then if you were replacing the steel units with alum ones.

Here's the kicker. There was a recall on the steel TREs. I'd think that your car would have been able to get the new updated versions even if you're out of warranty.

Dave
nah - the previous owner records (and the dealership data) showed the car was current on all recalls - this included a tie rod end campaign to swap out the original aluminum TREs out for steel replacements. The worn TREs that I was replacing (with the Chinese BAWs) were OEM and steel.

Didn't know about any larger-sized OEM steel TREs. Still got the old ones kicking around (to measure/compare) if you know the dimensions of the reg/larger steel OEM TREs.

Loren
Hey Crew....is there a noticeable difference between a Mayle CA and the OEM CA (not hijacking the thread FYI)? Still messing with my suspension prob and this thread looks right up my alley.
swcrow17 said:
Hey Crew....is there a noticeable difference between a Mayle CA and the OEM CA (not hijacking the thread FYI)? Still messing with my suspension prob and this thread looks right up my alley.
Doubt it. The TRE's yes . . . .
crew217 said:
The TRE's yes . . . .
Like what? BTW, I'm amazed how fast you reply...I wasn't expecting a reply till this evening.:thumbup:
swcrow17 said:
Like what? BTW, I'm amazed how fast you reply...I wasn't expecting a reply till this evening.:thumbup:
Larger metal balls
Best place to snag them? I take it not from ECS.
swcrow17 said:
Best place to snag them? I take it not from ECS.
i :heart: ECS
crew217 said:
Well that's because they were the old CA design which ECS wonderfully sold to a bunch of people. Go ECS! :thumbdown
Ohhh....Fair enough...I'll check them out. I thought you were being serious.
swcrow17 said:
Ohhh....Fair enough...I'll check them out. I thought you were being serious.
i was . . . does nobody ever read the damn info forum anymore? :p
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