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· I'm just itching to be Banned
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It is messed up, but the way Toyota tried to fix it is nothing short of ridiculous. My uncle had the recall done for floormats on a GS430. Toyota's engineering solution? Zip ties, black zip ties. :rofl:
 

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First of all, I think the pedal being to long is a crock of crap. Read the article posted. Four people dead. Car accelerated by itself, went through a fence into a pond upside down. The floor mat was found in the truck of the car. This was Toyota first step in the recall. Remove the mat. So tell me, what did the gas pedal get caught on?
 

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After clicking on that link and reading, I had no clue how many lives those cars took. Pretty sad. It seems like every decade there is a really popular car and brand, and that car always has deadly results.

00's = Toyota
90's = Ford Explorer
80's = Fiero
70's = Ford Pinto

etc.

It always ends up being a fault due to poor design because of cost cutting measures. Sad what people will do in order to get money.
 

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Toyota makes VW look like angels with regard to ignoring defects.

I told my sister to go ahead and buy a used 2002 RAV4, only to find out they have bad transmission software in the PCM which, if you drive it once it goes weird at 90k miles, destroys the transmission. Toyota admitted they know about the issue but offered no solution beyond the federal emissions warranty on the PCM.

My sister called me as soon as hers started acting up. I had heard nothing about the issues, but as soon as I Googled it there were scads of others with the same car and same problems, with Toyota basically saying "sorry 'bout yer luck." The dealer quoted my sister a little over $1500 to replace the TCM, which they said could not be flashed or reprogrammed to fix the issue.

I then had my brother-in-law pull the PCM and send it to autoecu.com (I think,) who flashed or reprogrammed the PCM for $250. It took 2 days for it to re-adapt everything, but the car is fine now.

Fuck you, Toyota.
 

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Toyotas are like Macs, but they're relatively cheaper and have a larger following.

They're crap.

I really don't like anything they've put out since the new millenium, all garbage. All appliances, no soul. Now, they've got such a big head about being "the world's biggest automaker" that they're slipping up. They think they're firmly ahead and can't do any wrong.

Well, surprise Toyota! You've got a big fucking problem on your hands now, and no one's buying your floormat story. Time to quit worrying about your bottom line and time to be a bit more concerned about your strangely loyal customer base.
 

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Toyotas are nothing like Macs. That's not an opinion, you're just wrong.
 

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all the techs I work with are saying that everything toyota is doing to try to fix this is a load of crap. true we did go from removing floormats to using big black zipties and now they have to trim the pedal or the assembly with a cardboard template and a dremel and a small block of wood (their specialty tool lol)
 

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Ford is no different with the cruise control fires... Not defending Toyota.. Big business acts the same when that old cost-benefit analysis comes into play..

On October 13, 2009, Ford Motor Co. expanded its largest-ever recall by about 4.5 million vehicles equipped with a faulty cruise-control switch linked to at least 550 vehicle fires nationwide, and the destruction of many homes and other properties. Ford has now recalled more than 14 million vehicles in eight separate recalls over a 10-year period because of the problem.
The new recall includes:

* 1995-2003 model year Ford Windstar
* 2000-2003 Ford Excursion diesels
* 1993-1997 and 1999-2003 Ford F-Super Duty diesel
* 1992-2003 Ford Econoline
* 1995-2002 Ford Explorer and Mercury Mountaineer
* 1995-1997 and 2001-2003 Ford Ranger
* 1994 Ford F53 Motor home vehicles equipped with the Texas Instruments speed control deactivation.

What is the Ford Fire Recall?
Since 1999, the Ford Motor Company has recalled over 10.4 million Ford, Lincoln and Mercury cars, SUVs and pickup trucks due to faulty cruise control switches, which can corrode overtime and catch fire. The National Highway Traffic and Safety Administration's (NHTSA) has reported receiving 1,472 complaints connected to the defect, including 65 fires.

** Millions of Ford Vehicles With The Same Or Similar Defective Switch Have Not Been Recalled: Ford’s recall is under inclusive and many persons have reported fires in vehicles not included in the recall. Last year CNN reported that a Ford document it obtained showed that the same or similar switch was installed in a total of 16 million Ford vehicles.
 

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Hmmm... my ex drives a Toyota... maybe she'll become a statistic. ;)
LOL!!!! :rofl:


sounds like toyota is feeling the pressure from vw. in their trying to make a better and less expensive car to compete with vw they're sacrificing their part quality, which is returning this kind of shit. it really doesn't seem like they really care for anything other than selling their prius and other crap (and to quote top gear) BORING cars.
 

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The only company "feeling the pressure" from VW is Audi.
that's just because vw owns them and breathes down their neck :p

and what i meant by "feeling the pressure" Was more in regards to vw-porsche picking up the slack and passing toyota in sales exceeding 4.4 million worldwide. if you're toyota, that's an oh-shit moment.
 

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Oh, God. Please.....please not the "soul" argument. Really? :mad: :banghead:
yea, i have to side with this one. toyota lost it's ability to give a car a proper soul when they erased their sports car line. and no, celica doesn't count. it's just factory rice. the supra was the last fun vehicle that toyota made.
and as for lexus, a $300,000 sports car, being their ONLY sports car is not really good enough... the ferrari is MAYBE a little bit slower, but half the price.
toyota is nothing but a bunch of effincy oriented pansy-assed engineers. there doesn't seem to be any passion left visible from them.
unlike vw.
 
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