Toyo Proxes 4 vs. Pirelli PZero Nero M+S

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rollininstyle2004

Discussion Starter · Jun 12, 2004

First off i know that this has been talked about before, but i have some more questions. I searched and read everything on this site about them so dont tell me to do that.
My tire choice is down to these 2.
They will be 235-40-18
Now at the place i am buying them from the Pirellis are only $13 more each then the Toyos so price aside. Also i know that the Pirellis need to be rotated more often (every 5k according to The Swami), but i only drive back and forth to either school or work so 5,000 miles for me is AT LEAST 6 months :lol:
So here is my main question:
TREADWEAR AND ROTATION ASIDE which tire "performs" better. I live in Atlanta so snow traction doesnt matter that much we get ice every now and then in the winters though, but wet handling does does.
So in the following categorys which is a "better" (i know that may be a personal preference):
Dry handling
Wet handling
Road noise
Comfort
OVERALL
Please help me with this decision
TIA
-Jordan

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The Swami

· #2 · Jun 12, 2004

Brother, the Toyo's are an all around better tire from all the categories you listed. My sister and I ran a set of Pirelli's on our Passats and the P7000's on my car bubbled up after around 9,000 miles, while two M+S on my sister's ride had a slow leak after 11K on the New York City streets.

I'm running Toyo Proxes 4's as my non-summer tires and they are great. I'm waiting for my Waterfest Wheels to get here on T1-S. Ole' Swami is going to shock you guys in Jersey.. My bonehead sister ended up going with Hankook HR2's and they are holding up pretty well but they squeal and groan like a Prom-Night Virgin around hard curves.

rollininstyle2004

Discussion Starter · #3 · Jun 13, 2004

Thats what i thought, but i went the tire place (Butler Tire) he told me the exact oppisite. He said that they Pirellis were an all around better tire. And he said that it was alot easier to deal with Pirelli if you have a problem then it is to deal with Toyo. I was origionaly going to go with Toyo, but the guy had a very strong argument towards Pirelli :???:
Now i just dont know.
Anyone else have any opinions???

The Swami

· #4 · Jun 13, 2004

Easier to deal with??? Don't get baited by that statement because your tire place must get a higher margin on Pirelli's than the Toyo's. Visit a few of the tuners and race shops in ATL and ask! I've driven on T1-S for years and IMHO they are the best high-performance tires on the market when you compare price/performance! Trust me, that soft compound on the Pirelli's will do you in on the city streets.

RL331

· #5 · Jun 14, 2004

I have the Proxes 4 and I love them. They are quiet, but not super quiet - you can still hear a very low level hum but very pleasing hum at highway speeds. They have been great and super sticky in the rain. Can't go wrong with the Toyos. What are the prices looking like. I bought mine at www.treaddepot.com and for your size they are $115.00 each. I bought 225/45/17 for $88.00 each plus $10.00 each for shipping and it came out to about $150.00 cheaper than any tire place around me.

rollininstyle2004

Discussion Starter · #6 · Jun 14, 2004

The prices that i was quoted from the tire place were high, but he told me that they included all the mounting and balencing and he would do a free alignment. He told me if i brought the tires in he would charge $20 each + $79 for alignment so thats about $160 which is around what you saved and around what i would save too. Im going to buy them locally just because if anything goes wrong i can go back there rather then trying to deal with an online company. Im leaning towards the Toyos, im going to go back tomorrow and make sure they have both in stock and the reason he wanst pushing the Pirellis was because he had them in stock and didnt have the Toyos.

RL331

· #7 · Jun 15, 2004

Yeah that seems reasonable. I had our good friend b5bel mount and balance them so I wasn't worried.

IanWVU

· #8 · Jun 15, 2004

i just put on some rims with pirreli p zero assimetrico's. They are badass with corners, feels great. But noisey as hell. Come on down to marietta and ill let you drive them around.

rollininstyle2004

Discussion Starter · #9 · Jun 15, 2004

IanWYU you coming to the GTG on the 26th???
Yea according to the guy at the tire place the Nero M+S are very quiet.

PhatRabbitzz

· #10 · Jun 15, 2004

IanWVU said:
i just put on some rims with pirreli p zero assimetrico's. They are badass with corners, feels great. But noisey as hell. Come on down to marietta and ill let you drive them around.

Check your air-pressure on the tires.

[email protected]

· #11 · Jun 15, 2004

You will be very happy with the Pirellis. Excellent performance for an all-season tire and they are quiet also. Never driven the Toyos so can't speak directly on them.

rollininstyle2004

Discussion Starter · #12 · Jun 15, 2004

[email protected] said:
You will be very happy with the Pirellis. Excellent performance for an all-season tire and they are quiet also. Never driven the Toyos so can't speak directly on them.

Do you know about any problems with the tread wear like The Swami stated. Also you have a PM regarding something i ordred from TireRack.

[email protected]

· #13 · Jun 15, 2004

I don't know of any problems with the tires bubbling or excessive treadwear.

IanWVU

· #14 · Jun 16, 2004

nope

cant make the GTG, which blows, but i really dont have much to offer with my car anyways, nothing cool on it yet. But ill be out of town that weekend, thats why i cant make it

pickles1107

· #15 · Jun 17, 2004

Jordan you ought to check out Discount Tire. It is right up the road from Butler (on Old Milton). The last time I was in there, they did this thing where they would match any internet price for a tire if you printed out the price from a website. Not sure if they still do that though.

rollininstyle2004

Discussion Starter · #16 · Jun 17, 2004

Yea, Butler is going to work on the price for me, there doing my suspension install so i they are giveing me a deal since i am doing it all there.
Side note, Chris when are you getting your wheels, I saw your car at the mall today Pimpin 1 steelie and 3 5+5s :lol:

The Swami

· #17 · Jun 17, 2004

Bro, like we've said in the past... Don't get baited by a vendor who will push what they have available and not recommend the best tire!! Do your research, Pirelli's will Bubblicious on you in a minute. Heck, I even know guys who are sponsored by them on the track who don't use them on their street cars. Now that's a trip!!!

RL331

· #18 · Jun 17, 2004

Just get the Toyos - I have them and am loving them!!!

[email protected]

· #19 · Jun 17, 2004

Swami--I wasnt "pushing" anything. He asked a question, I had an opinion on it so I answered. I clearly stated that I haven't driven the Toyo's. I did not bad mouth them or try to make them seem inferior. I do believe that I have a right to answer a question, just like you do.

Whether he gets the Toyo's are Pirelli's, I do believe he will appreciate having plenty of feedback to help him decide. I have driven on the Pirelli's and think they are excellent performing tires with good ride comfort and tread life. We don't have complaints on the tread life or bubbling on them. Thats all.

rollininstyle2004

Discussion Starter · #20 · Jun 17, 2004

Clay, i think Swami was talking about my vendor at my tire place pushing priellis, not you. Im going to go back today, they have both in stock in my size so its not that they are pushing what they have in stock since they have them both. I think i am going to go with the Toyos, just have a better feeling about them right now. :thumbup:
Thanx for everyone input :thumbup:

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