Volkswagen Passat Forum banner

1 - 20 of 39 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
3,537 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
Well, my gf is in the market for another car. She bought a 3.0 6sp z4 a few months ago, but figured out she can't drive it in the winter here. So shes in the market for a winter/rainy day car...something more practical, 4 doors, reliable, auto, and in the 25-35k dollar range...

We stopped off at the Acura dealership and was treated very well...they were much nicer to us than the snobbish ones we ran into at bmw. Anyways, she picked out a nice Anthracite 3.2TL with nav and the salesman threw us the keys and told us to bring the car back in a couple of hours :shock:

First off, the interior is gorgeous...they ripped off the VW blue instrument panel...but so what...it still looks nice. Carbon fiber (faux) accents give it a nice sporty look. The nav system is one of the easiest I have ever used. It has a mouse thing, is touch screen, and is voice activated...well...just about everything in the car is voice activated...from the radio, to the navi, to climate...you name it. The slickest part of the car is the integrated bluetooth. We sync'ed my gf's cellphone with it, and were able to speak and hear people through the car's stereo. Caller ID also is displayed nice and large in the car's center console when you have an incoming call into your cell. There are also steering wheel controls for everything if you feel the touch screen is too far for you to reach and your mouth is too dry to speak.

Okay, so the gadgets were cool...the drive however...Acceleration is a bit lacking for a car that has 270 HP. It does get better when you're into the higher RPMs, but I had a hard time breaking out the front tires on a standstill with the traction control off. The tip feature on the gearbox is slow and sluggish...I think even worst than the tips in our car. The most annoying thing is that it shifts from 1-2 for you...and there is no way to downshift into first. The thing just doesn't let you. The car is pretty large...and it drives that way too. I felt as if the car was just more "boatlike" than the previous version TLs. Steering isn't as direct as I thought it could be...I actually prefer our B5s...but thats just my opinion. I didn't get a chance to toss it around the curves too much, because its still slick here...but I already didn't like it enough to even bother. Although the extras you get in the car are fun, it isn't a fun car to drive...

eh...tomorrow we're going to hit up infiniti and try their new g35 AWD...
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
544 Posts
You say the new TL is more boat-like than the previous generation TL? It's about the same weight as the last generation TL, 6" shorter than it and rides on a significantly stiffer chassis w/ stiffer suspension settings....hmm. Something is not adding up. As for your perception of acceleration, I agree that it doesn't feel all that agressive off the line due to modest torque rating (238), but it's acceleration is so smooth and linear I believe the feeling of acceleration is deceptive. Consumer reports got 0-60 is 6.7 seconds with the Auto and Car and Driver and MotorTrend got anywhere from 5.7-6 seconds with the 6 speed manual.

I had a '99 TL and from my experience with the new TL, it quite simply puts the old TL to shame. (As well as my Passat for that matter)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3,537 Posts
Discussion Starter #3
The last tl I drove before this one was an 03 tl type s riding on the factory 18s and for whatever reason, I felt the new one was just larger to drive...I had a hard time figuring out the exact dimensions of the car because the hood sloped downwards and the rear visability didn't really allow you to see where the car ended.

Dont get me wrong, at the upper RPMs, the car definately felt faster than my chipped 1.8t...but taking off from a stop, the car didn't feel like it had 270 hp.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,396 Posts
pacent said:
Dont get me wrong, at the upper RPMs, the car definately felt faster than my chipped 1.8t...but taking off from a stop, the car didn't feel like it had 270 hp.
Should it? It is a Honda we're talking about. ;) My wife's RSX (2.0L 160hp) moves really well after 4K, but before then it's pretty much just sauntering up to speed. Gotta keep it about 4K to really get the most. (Actually to get the most out of it, needs to be a nice warm, sunny day with the windows and sunroof open and keeping it above 4K! :lol: )

And as for the manual control, the RSX at least is way better than the Passat. Instantaneous shifts are nice (instead of >1sec -- I need a Tip Chip), and it'll let you start off in 2nd if you wish, though I haven't had need yet. Now on the full-automatic mode side, it's a freaking dog for me, I can't get the sucker moving, though my wife can make it scream (though it's not consistent). My Passat does better in automatic mode, but I never drive either in D, so what's it matter? :lol:
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
544 Posts
pacent said:
The last tl I drove before this one was an 03 tl type s riding on the factory 18s
Not to be argumentative, but the last TL-S came from the factory w/ 17" wheels/tires, not 18". Like the TL-S the new TL has 17" wheels standard, but the tires are significantly wider than what was used on the TL-S.

As for the size of the car, all you have to do is look at the old TL and notice the massive front and rear overhangs compared to the new one (the wheelbase is pretty much unchanged w/ less than .1" difference if I recall correctly).
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3,537 Posts
Discussion Starter #8
jwaters943 said:
pacent said:
The last tl I drove before this one was an 03 tl type s riding on the factory 18s
Not to be argumentative, but the last TL-S came from the factory w/ 17" wheels/tires, not 18". Like the TL-S the new TL has 17" wheels standard, but the tires are significantly wider than what was used on the TL-S.
I guess the 18s were a dealer installed thing then. It did have Acura centercaps on it, but were not the typical type s wheels.
 

·
I got this user title because I'm old and special
Joined
·
8,552 Posts
Off course the Auto is going to feel less than 270. If I am going to get a Sports Sedan, I am going to get a manual unless the auto is faster than the manual.

Also, the ECU is limiting the HP. It cuts out. It can reach higher HP readings.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
4,730 Posts
With the Acura sedans, to me, it's more about size than cost. I've a had a big car and I don't see myself in another one for quite a while. I'm saying I really prefer the TSX over the TL - in fact I don't like the new Accords and Camrys because they're just too damned big. I think all that size is #1 - a waste and #2 I think it makes the car too heavy and wallowy. I would go back and look at the TSX with the manual transmission.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,393 Posts
The 6-speed TL is a different animal altogether, at least from my impressions. More than enough push-you-into-the-back-of-your-seat power and a LSD to boot! :thumbup: If you still can't break the front tires free, chalk it up to driver error :wink:. Seriously, the TL may not have the best steering feel or the best handling, but it's damned good for what it is: a fully loaded FWD mid size Luxury Sedan for just over $30k :thumbup:.

Regarding size, the new TL is actually shorter than the old one. It shows in the trunk, which has lost some space when compared to the old TL.

The TSX is a bit underpowered, and even the 6 speed version is a bit lethargic - especially if you are coming from the TL. If you don't need those extra two doors in the TSX, I suggest looking at an Accord Coupe V6 6-Speed. Equivalent feature wise to the TSX, but much more power/torque and for less money! :wink:
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
9,741 Posts
Maybe it didn't like you for doing that and responded accordingly. :p
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,393 Posts
Well, with the manual, you could drop the clutch higher than 3500 RPMs :wink:. By the way, you brake-torqued a brand new TL?? Shame on you! :cry: :lol:

Seriously, I'm not familiar with Acura's VSA, but when you turn it off does it also stop the computer from engaging throttle retard on the Autobox equipped TL? I know it disables EBD, but not sure about the retarding function. If it doesn't that would explain why you couldn't get at AT equipped TL to spin it's wheels. Honestly, I could get my '01 Sentra to spin it's front wheels with it's automatic, and it only had 136 Ft. Lbs. of peak torque and pretty wide tires for that output.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
80 Posts
pacent said:
The last tl I drove before this one was an 03 tl type s riding on the factory 18s and for whatever reason, I felt the new one was just larger to drive...I had a hard time figuring out the exact dimensions of the car because the hood sloped downwards and the rear visability didn't really allow you to see where the car ended.

Dont get me wrong, at the upper RPMs, the car definately felt faster than my chipped 1.8t...but taking off from a stop, the car didn't feel like it had 270 hp.
I have a 2002 tls and you are right concerning lack of take off speed. However after 3500rpm or so the car just flys. Stomp the gas from 65mph in 3rd using the SS will scare the hell out of you up to about 110mph. The Acura is not a drag car also the type S never came with 18 oem wheels. The new Tl can be orderd with 18
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
6,143 Posts
sentraSR20 said:
The 6-speed TL is a different animal altogether, at least from my impressions. More than enough push-you-into-the-back-of-your-seat power and a LSD to boot! :thumbup: If you still can't break the front tires free, chalk it up to driver error :wink:. Seriously, the TL may not have the best steering feel or the best handling, but it's damned good for what it is: a fully loaded FWD mid size Luxury Sedan for just over $30k :thumbup:.

Regarding size, the new TL is actually shorter than the old one. It shows in the trunk, which has lost some space when compared to the old TL.

The TSX is a bit underpowered, and even the 6 speed version is a bit lethargic - especially if you are coming from the TL. If you don't need those extra two doors in the TSX, I suggest looking at an Accord Coupe V6 6-Speed. Equivalent feature wise to the TSX, but much more power/torque and for less money! :wink:
"Just over $30 grand" ?!?!? :???:

January Car & Driver -
Base Price - $33,195 (includes $545 freight)
Nav System- $2,000

$35,195 is a Bit more than "just over" in my book and from what 3 people I know that shopped it, the dealers aren't budging, one in fact was marking it up. And as for the 5.7 sec 0-60 for the above mentioned 6 speed TL, quoting the author:

"All that power and torque gets channeled through a front-wheel-drive dam like a school of spawning salmon, bogging down the drivetrain as it tries to put the power down. Gobs of wheelspin ensues until the all-season Bridgestone Turanza EL42s are finally able to hook up, launching the TL upstream with serious authority. Zero to 60 mph comes in just 5.7 sec......"

I'd think if you get one and launch it like that at every red light and stop sign, you're gonna get real friendly with the trans specialist at your friendly neighborhood Acura dealer... $$$$$$$$$$
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
544 Posts
VWGUY-

Not everyone needs or wants a NAV system (although I personally would get it) so $33k is a very good value for all that the TL includes.
*Cough, cough...Passat GLX*

As for the review quote you posted, it's been well documented that Car and Driver has an issue with the TL and the fact that it is FWD. Part of their problem may have been the crappy Turanza tires (?). It should also be stated that most other reviews (Edmunds, Consumer Reports, MotorTrend, etc.) have been much more favorable and comment on the lack of torque steer and how suprisingly well the TL handles for a FWD car of it's size and power.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
6,143 Posts
In the same article they did say the auto was a better match than the 6 speed and I agree with you on the nav system. It's not a deal breaker for me.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
4,730 Posts
sentraSR20 said:
Regarding size, the new TL is actually shorter than the old one. It shows in the trunk, which has lost some space when compared to the old TL.

The TSX is a bit underpowered, and even the 6 speed version is a bit lethargic - especially if you are coming from the TL. If you don't need those extra two doors in the TSX, I suggest looking at an Accord Coupe V6 6-Speed. Equivalent feature wise to the TSX, but much more power/torque and for less money! :wink:
Acutally the MSRP on a manual V6 Accord Coupe is not less it's actually a bit more - pricing out at a hair more at $26,500 while it's $26,490 on the TSX manual and equal $2,000 optional NAV's for both. As options go, you actually get a few more things in the TSX over the Accord such as an Auto-Dimming Rearview Mirror, Xenon headlights and a 360 watt 8 speaker stereo - versus the 180 watt 6 speaker stereo in the Accord. I find the new Accord's styling awkward at best and the interior HVAC controls on par with a mid-90's Buick while the guages are attractive, the rest screams cheap.

I've never been so disappointed with a vehicle as I was with the new Accord. In fact I was all set to buy a new Accord but, to me, it felt more like a current gen Toyota Camry than it did the cozy, tossable, Accord of old I used to really enjoy. I find the new TL, while smaller than the prev. gen., still too large for my liking - the new Accord too large as well and the TSX "right sized" to me for some reason. While the TSX may only have 200 hp - keep in mind it's 30 more than the GLS Passat which I have fun in while driving and 10 more than a GLX Passat.

I've also found over the years that more power does not equate to more fun - if that were the case Camaro's wouldn't be dead and Mustangs wouldn't still be alive and kicking. ;)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
709 Posts
I was supposed to get a TL a year and a half ago, but then I sat in one and changed my mind because I couldn't fit. The seats wouldn't move back far enough for me. I figured it was just this one car I sat in at the auction, so I tried another... nope, same thing (keep in mind, these are the last generation TL's). With the seat moved all the way back, I had to actually lift my leg up half the distance to my stomach just to put my foot on the accelerator because it was so close to my body.

Very dissapointing moment for me. Cause I would've walked away with one that day. But then again, I would've never gotten a Passat and found this bad ass forum :thumbup:
 
1 - 20 of 39 Posts
Top