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Temperature Gauge Never Reaches 190 degrees...... Thermostat....?

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I have changed the Coolant Temp Sensor and it will still not reach 190 degrees........ After about 15 minutes it will be half way to 190 degrees....

Your thoughts......?
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Faulty replacement CTS is a rare occurrence, but I've heard of it happening.

They're ~$12 or so at Advance Auto (at least the forest green top replacement CTS was for my AEB).
The thermostat certainly could be slightly open when cold, which is how I found mine after buying my car used. Same symptom, hard to reach normal temp, plus cold heater.
Just replaced mine a few weeks ago. Heat was still good but car wasn't coming up to temp. Replaced it and all was good.
Did you bleed the air from the system after replacing the CTS? I would start there...
Yes. Thermostat. An intermittently working CTS will go up to 190 randomly, then appear to cut out back to cold, then cycle on and off. That was the symptom I've seen on a car with a failed CTS and thermostat. Once the CTS was replaced, it revealed the thermostat.
Replace the thermostat. Get a solid one from GermanAutoParts. And do a youtube search for Thomas EXOVCDS. He's good. He has a DIY that you will love if you are worried about the labor. I would personally recommend familiarizing yourself with the coolant system on your vehicle, because the plastic flanges are known to fail. Bleed the system via the hole on the heatercore hose that is underneath the battery shroud. The trick to it is, let the car heat up and pull the hose back just far enough so it clears the port in the heatercore, rev motor to 2k and purge the air. Reinstall hose and drive it. Check for leaks and ONLY USE G12 COOLANT!
PS. If the car isn't running G12, I recommend draining the system.
I just did my thermostat and posted the process just a few days ago.. really easy. I used a 5 mm T-handle hex for the lower bolt and a 5mm 3/8 drive socket - flushed twice with distilled water and flushed heater core. Car now reaches 190 in a matter of minutes and I have slow cook ribs blazing heat at 165 degrees coming out the vents.
my thermostat was replaced about a month ago for the exact same reason. since then, no problems.
Replace the thermostat. Get a solid one from GermanAutoParts. And do a youtube search for Thomas EXOVCDS. He's good. He has a DIY that you will love if you are worried about the labor. I would personally recommend familiarizing yourself with the coolant system on your vehicle, because the plastic flanges are known to fail. Bleed the system via the hole on the heatercore hose that is underneath the battery shroud. The trick to it is, let the car heat up and pull the hose back just far enough so it clears the port in the heatercore, rev motor to 2k and purge the air. Reinstall hose and drive it. Check for leaks and ONLY USE G12 COOLANT!
This is not the correct way to bleed the cooling system, and is also unsafe and possibly dangerous.
This is not the correct way to bleed the cooling system, and is also unsafe and possibly dangerous.
And in response to this good advice, the correct method is:

Loosen three screws holding expansion tank. Pull back heater core hose until coolant dribbles out. Remove expansion tank cap and lift tank as high as it'll go. Bleed coolant until a steady stream comes out of bleeder hole. Reverse for installation.

Running it while hot, or with engine running will shoot a stream of coolant into the air. Its not bled properly that way.
This is not the correct way to bleed the cooling system, and is also unsafe and possibly dangerous.
Not only that, but after getting scalded, the thing will still have air in the cooling system! Heating up the coolant has no effect on bleeding out the air, while revving the engine just pulls more air in.
And in response to this good advice, the correct method is:

Loosen three screws holding expansion tank. Pull back heater core hose until coolant dribbles out. Remove expansion tank cap and lift tank as high as it'll go. Bleed coolant until a steady stream comes out of bleeder hole. Reverse for installation.

Running it while hot, or with engine running will shoot a stream of coolant into the air. Its not bled properly that way.
Could you please expand on this?

Are you saying let the engine idle for 30 minutes while it warms out and bleeds itself?
Do not have the engine running while trying to bleed the system. The engine should not be hot. Coolant should not be hot to the touch. Trust me it will cause you grief and possibly an injury. GLInick, vbora, and ylwagon know what they are talking about. Just prop the expansion tank up as high as you can and then bleed the system. If you already tried this while the engine was running then you will now have to get air out of the system the right way and maybe several times.
Could you please expand on this?

Are you saying let the engine idle for 30 minutes while it warms out and bleeds itself?
Engine needs to be cold, ie off for a couple of hours or so. Then raise the coolant tank (disconnect only its electrical connector) and bleed. Then put back heater hose and the coolant tank and now you can run the engine and check/top up the coolant.

If it was bled incorrectly you may need to repeat this procedure after driving it, especially if you notice erratic temp indication, less than full cabin heat, gurgling noise from the dash areau. More air will be drawn into the system if not done properly.

The cooling system is under pressure when at full temp. It's not a lot about 15 psi or so, but if it gets depressurized when hot (ie by removing the cap or pulling back the heater hose), the boiling point is reduced and the coolant mixture will bubble vigorously. You don't want that happening when you have an open bleed hole and your hands and face nearby.

There is a diy written by Tomvw in the infobase.
The cooling system is under pressure when at full temp. It's not a lot about 15 psi or so, but if it gets depressurized when hot (ie by removing the cap or pulling back the heater hose), the boiling point is reduced and the coolant mixture will bubble vigorously. You don't want that happening when you have an open bleed hole and your hands and face nearby.
A pressurized cooling system raises the coolant's boiling temperature. This is good because the hotter the coolant, the less cylinder heat is lost to the cooling system, and the efficiency of the engine is improved. The radiator and heater cores can be smaller too, but the temperature and pressure have to be low enough for proper lubrication and reliability. So as GLInick points out, the cooling system pressure can reach about 15 psi, but if the pressure is suddenly reduced, some coolant is likely to instantly become steam, causing a dangerous surge of hot coolant from wherever the pressure was released. If you ever have held a cooling system hose while releasing pressure at the reservoir, you'll feel the hose suddenly get hotter. That's due to the latent heat of the coolant being released when it turns from liquid to vapor.
Just for accuracy from a technical point of view: the reason coolant should not boil is not because you want the engine to stay warmer (the thermostat regulates that) but because you want the system to be stable. Under normal conditions (G12 50% and water 50%) the coolant should not boil even with the cap removed, unless you have a problem (fans not working, water pump etc). So in theory if all is good, the release of the pressure should only cause a small puff and that's all. This should be the case in any cooling system in any car. The temperature inside the cooling system should not (under normal functionality) exceed the coolant mix boiling temperature.

Now, in real life, most cars will not have the proper coolant mix, coolant lost some of the properties, wrong type of coolant is used. So it's not a good idea to open the cap when hot anyway.

I agree with the correct procedure for bleeding, though.
Do not have the engine running while trying to bleed the system.
I guess I'm missing a fundamental thing that is probably obvious. How can you bleed an engine that is not running if the thermostat hasn't opened to circulate the coolant into the block yet?
Air rises to the top. That is, to the heater core. The heater circuit circulates (IIRC) regardless of the thermostat.
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