owners of affected cars tend to make out like bandits, remember what the RX8 owners got for missing something like 5-10 hp got them? I think free service and cash back, or a buy-back offer.
Say it ain't so The CTS-V Not Making it's Advertised 400hp!
G
A few years ago Cobra owners were angry to find that their cars were not making their advertised HP.
Quote:
Excerpt from Class Action Lawsuit filed against Ford Motor Company
From: http://www.blueovalnews.com/lawsuit..._transcript.htm
Page 61
..{snip}..
3 Q They represented that Ford's horsepower, the Cobra's
4 horsepower was three hundred twenty horsepower, but
5 in reality, what was the horsepower of the Cobra?
6 A I think based on the documents, they were lucky to
7 get three hundred five out of it. They were short
8 fifteen. Maybe eleven to fifteen.
Ford Later admitted fault and fixed the power defficit. They also cancled the 2000 model year, inability to meet advertised power was a given as one reason. Is GM about to face a similar situation with the 2003 CTS-V?
Quote:
From:
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showt...619#post1443619
(By Dreamin)
Z06s dyno 350-360rwhp all day long:
http://www.z06vette.com/forums/poll...ults&pollid=533
V's are dyno'ing at 310-330rwhp:
DgtalPimp: 312rwhp -- http://www.cadillacforums.com/forum...ead.php?t=14372
R.Ketcham: 317rwhp -- http://www.cadillacforums.com/forum...ead.php?t=13044
MTI: 318rwhp -- http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143117
Moreperf: 324rwhp -- http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154088
Cal: 332rwhp -- http://www.cadillacforums.com/forum...ead.php?t=11476
I have read all the info on the intake and exhaust being restrictive and GM wanting to keep the interior quiet, etc. That's fine... then GM should rate the hp accurately: it's not making 5hp less than the Z06...
The CTS-V is a 365hp car!
The above results would show a 364-388 Crank Shaft HP car assuming typical 15% drivetrain loss as seen in similar applications like the Z06. Additionaly despite a 50hp advertised advantage over the GTO, The new $33K GTO is making close to the same power at the wheels.
Is is time for CTS-V owners to stand up for their rights as the owners of 1999 Mustang Cobras have? They fought and won over a 15hp discrepancy, the CTS-V is showing as much as a 35 HP off advertised power ratings.
What is occuring with the CTS-V that is pulling it shy of it's advertised power? Maybe the courts will decide as they did with Ford?
Quote:
Excerpt from Class Action Lawsuit filed against Ford Motor Company
From: http://www.blueovalnews.com/lawsuit..._transcript.htm
Page 61
..{snip}..
3 Q They represented that Ford's horsepower, the Cobra's
4 horsepower was three hundred twenty horsepower, but
5 in reality, what was the horsepower of the Cobra?
6 A I think based on the documents, they were lucky to
7 get three hundred five out of it. They were short
8 fifteen. Maybe eleven to fifteen.
Ford Later admitted fault and fixed the power defficit. They also cancled the 2000 model year, inability to meet advertised power was a given as one reason. Is GM about to face a similar situation with the 2003 CTS-V?
Quote:
From:
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showt...619#post1443619
(By Dreamin)
Z06s dyno 350-360rwhp all day long:
http://www.z06vette.com/forums/poll...ults&pollid=533
V's are dyno'ing at 310-330rwhp:
DgtalPimp: 312rwhp -- http://www.cadillacforums.com/forum...ead.php?t=14372
R.Ketcham: 317rwhp -- http://www.cadillacforums.com/forum...ead.php?t=13044
MTI: 318rwhp -- http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143117
Moreperf: 324rwhp -- http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154088
Cal: 332rwhp -- http://www.cadillacforums.com/forum...ead.php?t=11476
I have read all the info on the intake and exhaust being restrictive and GM wanting to keep the interior quiet, etc. That's fine... then GM should rate the hp accurately: it's not making 5hp less than the Z06...
The CTS-V is a 365hp car!
The above results would show a 364-388 Crank Shaft HP car assuming typical 15% drivetrain loss as seen in similar applications like the Z06. Additionaly despite a 50hp advertised advantage over the GTO, The new $33K GTO is making close to the same power at the wheels.
Is is time for CTS-V owners to stand up for their rights as the owners of 1999 Mustang Cobras have? They fought and won over a 15hp discrepancy, the CTS-V is showing as much as a 35 HP off advertised power ratings.
What is occuring with the CTS-V that is pulling it shy of it's advertised power? Maybe the courts will decide as they did with Ford?
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I have been wondering this for a while. I know Caddy is advertising that car as having a 4.6 second 0-60, and to my knowledge, I have yet to see a magazine reproduce that.
Motor Trend, could only manage a 5.1 second, I mean thats half a second off...
-Nick
Motor Trend, could only manage a 5.1 second, I mean thats half a second off...
-Nick
hahahahahahahaha... i think i told someone here that the CTS-V was a joke...
hmmmmm... who was that...? will have to search...
hmmmmm... who was that...? will have to search...
smells like a fish...?
It doesnt do anything for me anyways...
But it is a good car even with 365hp.
So Cadillac is using the same tactics on Public as they did in racing....NICE
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But it is a good car even with 365hp.
So Cadillac is using the same tactics on Public as they did in racing....NICE
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Even the lowest number of 364 is still more than 98% of all people would ever use on the street, and still respectable. And comparing the much nicer CTS-V with a GTO is just plain silly.
Primadonnas. :roll:
Primadonnas. :roll:
yup :lol: :lol: :lol:Medrosje said:owners of affected cars tend to make out like bandits, remember what the RX8 owners got for missing something like 5-10 hp got them? I think free service and cash back, or a buy-back offer.
Whats so much nicer about the CTS???jwil said:Even the lowest number of 364 is still more than 98% of all people would ever use on the street, and still respectable. And comparing the much nicer CTS-V with a GTO is just plain silly.
Primadonnas. :roll:
About the same HP......less money....cleaner looking (better styling).....
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RoadTests Sedan Motor Trend Buyer's Guide
American V-8 Power: 2004 Cadillac CTS V-Series
None of these bugs would keep us from signing on for one of the 3000-4000 Vs Cadillac plans to build, however. Take your choice between silver or black, but there'll be few other options available or required. Unfortunately, limited-edition cars have a sad history of nasty dealer markups, and we hope CTS-V buyers don't get victimized in this way.
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2004 Cadillac CTS-V
WHAT'S HOT
· Ultra-high-performance with low-profile look
· Corvette-like braking, power, grip
· Strong value message for what it does
WHAT'S NOT
· Rubbery shift linkage
· Only two colors
· Historical threat of ZR-1-style markups
Low-volume, high-performance niche products are expensive to develop and hard to execute well. Fortunately, Cadillac already had a terrific chassis at hand and a time-tested engine and transmission nearby. The BMW M/Mercedes-Benz AMG formula of simultaneously upgrading a car's performance, luxury, appearance, and desirability quotients suits the CTS.
We're impressed by this car and look forward to putting it through our instrumented tests. Assuming it comes in at the projected $50,000-$53,000 price, it'll offer tremendous performance for the dollar in a roomy, five-passenger package that can be driven daily. The CTS-V will prove a good match for other 400-horse players like the Jaguar S-Type R--and a great racer when it hits the professional sports-car trail next season. But you didn't hear that one from us.
2004 Cadillac CTS-V
Base price $51,500 (est)
Price as tested $53,000 (est)
Vehicle layout Front engine, rwd, 4-door, 5-pass sedan
Engine 90° V-8, OHV, 2 valves/cyl, cast-alum block and heads
Displacement, ci/cc 345.7/5665
Horsepower @ rpm 400 @ 6000
Torque @ rpm 390 @ 4800
Transmission 6-speed manual
Curb weight, lb 3833
0-60 mph, sec 4.7 (factory est) Botton line is (factory est)
Anyway can you say M3 :bow: Because thats what I would get anyday over the Crapillac.
American V-8 Power: 2004 Cadillac CTS V-Series
None of these bugs would keep us from signing on for one of the 3000-4000 Vs Cadillac plans to build, however. Take your choice between silver or black, but there'll be few other options available or required. Unfortunately, limited-edition cars have a sad history of nasty dealer markups, and we hope CTS-V buyers don't get victimized in this way.
advertisement
2004 Cadillac CTS-V
WHAT'S HOT
· Ultra-high-performance with low-profile look
· Corvette-like braking, power, grip
· Strong value message for what it does
WHAT'S NOT
· Rubbery shift linkage
· Only two colors
· Historical threat of ZR-1-style markups
Low-volume, high-performance niche products are expensive to develop and hard to execute well. Fortunately, Cadillac already had a terrific chassis at hand and a time-tested engine and transmission nearby. The BMW M/Mercedes-Benz AMG formula of simultaneously upgrading a car's performance, luxury, appearance, and desirability quotients suits the CTS.
We're impressed by this car and look forward to putting it through our instrumented tests. Assuming it comes in at the projected $50,000-$53,000 price, it'll offer tremendous performance for the dollar in a roomy, five-passenger package that can be driven daily. The CTS-V will prove a good match for other 400-horse players like the Jaguar S-Type R--and a great racer when it hits the professional sports-car trail next season. But you didn't hear that one from us.
2004 Cadillac CTS-V
Base price $51,500 (est)
Price as tested $53,000 (est)
Vehicle layout Front engine, rwd, 4-door, 5-pass sedan
Engine 90° V-8, OHV, 2 valves/cyl, cast-alum block and heads
Displacement, ci/cc 345.7/5665
Horsepower @ rpm 400 @ 6000
Torque @ rpm 390 @ 4800
Transmission 6-speed manual
Curb weight, lb 3833
0-60 mph, sec 4.7 (factory est) Botton line is (factory est)
Anyway can you say M3 :bow: Because thats what I would get anyday over the Crapillac.
I think if it complete's the 0-60 and 1/4mi times at what GM says it will then who cares.
Just like the RX-8, they claimed 250hp and it was 215hp IIRC, but it still ran the 1/4mi in the time they said it would so no biggie IMO.
Just like the RX-8, they claimed 250hp and it was 215hp IIRC, but it still ran the 1/4mi in the time they said it would so no biggie IMO.
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