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I'm at 60k on my stock brake system. I think I have narrowed my choice to ATE powerdiscs in front and stock rotors in back with Redbox all around. Probably going to buy it all from ECS. Before I order, can someone tell me what kind of brake sensor connectors I have? I have a 2002 GLS. Also, are there not sensors on the back pads? Lastly, I'm worried about the redboxes squealing and I have seen that proper bedding, anti-squeal stuff, and shims will do the trick. The bedding and anti-squeal stuff I know about but the shims are new to me. Can someone explain how the shims work and how to install them?
 

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Here's a bit of advice.. What you should do is visit or call a local VW Dealership and get the VW Part Number for your brake components. The dealership will do an ETKA search from your VIN in order to provide the correct parts for your Passat. The part number will act as a cross reference for OEM parts, to make sure you are installing the correct components on your car.

The 2001.5 and up Passat's running ATE Calipers (2 pads per caliper) uses the D-Shaped sensor. The rear brake pads don't have a sensor and are pretty generic amongst VW's and Audi's.

Now let's talk about shims. Shims are a barrier that sits between the pad and the caliper which absorbs vibrations which can cause sqealing. From what I've seen there's 2 types: metal or plastic units you connect to the pad, one's already included on the pads. Older cars and some new cars have an actual component that fits on the caliper face or piston which touches the back of the brake pad. The problem with these types of shims is that sometimes they wear out or rust. Also, you have to carefully install non adhesive shims because they can be misaligned and cause even more squealing!!

Newer brake-pads have shims that are already attached to the brakepad. You can also buy adhesive shims from a good Auto Parts store. When I did my brakes all the way around on the W8, I provided the VW technician adhesive shims and Lubro Molly Anti-Seize compound with my pads. To install, the tech has to attach the shims to the rear of the brakepad and apply the compound on top. That's it!!! Not difficult.. :thumbup:

You made an excellent choice with the ATE Powerdiscs up front, but I'm not too sure about the Mintex brake pads. I've had issues with them on multiple cars. You might want to take a look at ATE, EBC Greenstuff or PBR/Axxis Metal Master or Ultimate pads. I love the ATE Powerdisc rotors because if bedded correctly their design forces even pad wear.

Good luck bro!!!

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Thanks Swami! This site has too many opinions about pads so it is difficult to make a decision. It appears that the Mintex pads have come up the most in the posts so they can't be too bad. What is your bad experiences with the Mintex?
 

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Thanks Swami! This site has too many opinions about pads so it is difficult to make a decision. It appears that the Mintex pads have come up the most in the posts so they can't be too bad. What is your bad experiences with the Mintex?
I have very mixed feelings about the Mintex Redbox pads. First off, Mintex is one of the few OEM pad vendors which doesn't design a built on shim or provide adhesive shims with the pads. The Redbox line pads also don't provide enough bite to resist fading at low speeds, and are prone to squealing when cold. :thumbdow: I know many people love these pads but on my 2000 and 2001.5 4 Motions, these pads were no better than the OEM Pagid or Jurid pads provided by Volkswagen.

Seriously take a look at PBR/Axxis Metal Masters or Ultimate Pads, ATE pads, or EBC Greenstuff. I know a few others will chime in, but these are the pads I've had experience using on multiple cars. I wish the F*@(#$) snowplow that hit my car used Axxis Ultimates... :D
 

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I'm trying to find the other recommended pads. So far I found Greenstuff on tirerack.com and I can't find the ATE or PBR. I've looked at parts4vw and ecstuning as well. Any other sites to find these other pads? Any sites that provide a clubb5 discount?
 

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passnatl said:
Before I order, can someone tell me what kind of brake sensor connectors I have? I have a 2002 GLS. Also, are there not sensors on the back pads?
According to germanautoparts.com, you have the same brake sensors as me. They have a square/round connector. I ordered mine from them and they worked perfectly. I've got a 99 though. But according to their site, you and I take the same pads. The backs don't have sensors. I guess they figure the fronts will wear out first anyway and you'll get the backs checked with the front.

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I can't comment on vendors which offer discounts to ClubB5. I just shop around, and if a vendor happens to be an advertiser on B5, then I inquire about a discount. Don't make a simple brakejob big-drama, just go out and find a good set of brakepads, properly install and bed your brakes and that's it!

Instead of depending on a the Web to find the exact part you are looking for, you might need to make some calls. Many sites don't keep their product catalogues up to date, and a vendor would be more than willing to drop-ship a part if it's not in stock. ECSTuning carries PBR/Axxis brand ceramic pads, but have you called them to see if they can provide PBR Metal Masters? I hipped ya in the first post to contact a VW Dealership and get the VW Part number for your brake components. This will greatly help your search for quality OEM replacement parts. Another number you can use to search specifically for brake pads is the Friction Materials Standards Index Number or FMSI. All brakepads have an FMSI number, and you can search out pads for your car using it.

Now to help a fellow B5er out, I called my local parts store and got the FMSI numbers for you:

Front: D840 has D Shaped Sensor fits 2001<Passat, Audi A6 2.8/3.0.
Rear: D340 has no sensor and fits almost the entire VW/Audi line.

If ECS Tuning can't provide PBR/Axxis Metal Master pads then do a web search and contact various vendors and give them this FMSI number. I've seen some huge disparities in pricing on the web, but here's a vendor that has excellent prices and will drop ship to you.

Zeckhausen Racing
22 Washington Park
Maplewood, NJ 07040-1033
Phone: (973) 761-5054
http://www.zeckhausen.com/

Ask for David, and be sure to call and talk to him about getting Axxis pads. He's good and will explain everything to you! I learned so much about my brakes in a few conversations with him.

Good luck.

p.s. You can find ATE Brakepads at ETYParts. www.etyparts.com Again, you must call them and provide the FMSI number so you get the correct parts. Other vendors that we deal with on ClubB5 should provide this number as well on the site. Heck, you might even find quality pads at your local auto-parts store!!
 

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Swami,
I have been told that PBR/AXXIS metalmasters are not available for FWD B5. I have an early 2000 and would love to get metalmasters. Are you sure they can be had?
TIA
 

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Who lied to ya bro??

Inquire with vendors to see if they have your pad with that FMSI Number. The FMSI for the 2002 FWD Passat is the same for 2001-2002 A4 Quattro's, 2001 A6 Quattro running ATE Calipers and 2002 FWD A6's.

This is why you use the FMSI to search for brake components on some cars because there's cross-matching with Audi & Volkswagen. Contact your vendor who sells PBR/Axxis pads and give them the correct FMSI Number so a cross-match can be checked.

I just checked and European Parts Specialists carry PBR Deluxe and Metal Master pads, as well as Textar, Mintex, etc..etc.. This is the vendor I use for Mercedes Benz components, but they carry items for most European Cars.

European Parts Specialist
http://www.epsparts.com/
1-800-334-2749

Now if you want Ole' Swami to perform an install I charge $270.00 per hour, which is the going rate Verizon charges for CCIE services. :D Just kidding, I hope this helps you guys..
 

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passnatl said:
Thanks Swami! I found www.importrp.com and they are a little cheaper than epsparts.com. They both did not know of the fmsi but they both had D600rm for fronts and D104rm for backs. About $20 cheaper!
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Now that's what I call using the Internet! Excellent job, passnatl... :D

I'll have to throw that vendor in my Little Black Book, or better yet My Favorites. :D
 

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Yes, both names are used. I've also heard ATE Atomics because the slot pattern looks like an atom. :D Just make sure you ask the vendor if the rotors have the atomic pattern.

passnatl, don't make a simple brakejob difficult. Are you having a problem finding vendors?
 

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Brags5 said:
Whats the deal with these high carbon rotors from brembo? Any good?
Brembo manufactures excellent OEM rotors. Brembo's use of a so-called High-Carbon Compound is basically a mixture of metals used to fabricate the rotor which supposedly gets better grip on various brakepads and promotes low-noise. It's a bunch of hype if you ask me, Brembo's 2 piece rotors used on the GranTurismo system are hands down the best!
 
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