Yeah, overrated reliability, low torque and some high RPM power. Well, navigation is a whole other story, of course. Crapy service, mashy brakes, rattling ugly hard plastic, falling off buttons, auto tranny crapping out at 60,000 miles on 5 YO car, enormous engine noise of leaf blower. Sounds like nightmare to me.Z28Driver said:reliability, power, navigation GAHHHHHHHHHHH The horror :wink:
low torque? 212 isnt exactly low better then all but the W8 and in the HP department its only off by 30.VW4.0L said:Yeah, overrated reliability, low torque and some high RPM power. Well, navigation is a whole other story, of course. Crapy service, mashy brakes, rattling ugly hard plastic, falling off buttons, auto tranny crapping out at 60,000 miles on 5 YO car, enormous engine noise of leaf blower. Sounds like nightmare to me.Z28Driver said:reliability, power, navigation GAHHHHHHHHHHH The horror :wink:
I've driven vdubs non stop for the last 7 years (mixed up with Mercs here and there, in addition, not instead). In meanwhile my sister have owned Hondas, with me taking care of any problems, for the last 9 years. My late father and now my mom had been driving Chevys, with me taking care of service 100% of the time. Among 4 makes GM has had the best service department (well, local dealer has service open 7 days a week from 7Am-midnight), with VW and Merc in second, after local VW dealer started offering loaner cars. There were drawbacks in both places, but always minor. When I teared off belly pan in Jetta, independent shop wanted $40 to remove it (I needed car and couldn't leave it there to wait for the part) and $200 to replace. Dealer removed for free, and repalced while waiting next day for something like $130 (not sure, remember it was significantly less). Honda doesn't even mention loaners in any form, ever. Period. They failed to diagnose intermitenly dying engine for about an year, which after brain storm we traced to failed ignition key switch (not sure I am calling it properly), which had TB on it with all symptoms described (found out later by accident). Dealer charged us $350 to replace some heater cord something (not to mention failure happened 2 weeks out of warranty). When year later tranny went south I found out that thing was supposed to be covered by recall, which dealer "forgot" to mention. Needless to say Honda never reimbursed my sis for it, even after letter from attorney (it was not worth persuing any further, attorney would cost more). After thourough research it turned out that tranny in 98-00 Accords failes commonly on pretty low miles vehicles (less than 60,000 miles in our case). Some were placed on extended warranty kinda recall (like window regulators in VWs). But we were out of luck and my sis paid $2000 to independent shop for replacement. I got nowhere with Honda NA offices, they were 100% deaf. Oh, forgot. After involving law office they did respond to letter with phone call. They said that they will cover 25% of cost of new tranny, if done at dealer only. Which was like 100% more expensive than independent. I think, I've described other problems we had with Honda. Now, take a guess: which brand is not on my sister's car shopping list? Even more, call her stupid,but she's been turned off all Japanese makes for good and cannot wait to get rid of here "top rated car".Z28Driver said:as for crappy service I'll let you think VW is the pinnacle of auto service
hmm they have more torque, they have more horsepower, they run a faster 1/4 mile. I wonder how we can justify VW being a better performer now....hmmm I know lets claim the rpms the power is made at is too high :roll: give it up FWIW the accord makes its horsepower at a lower RPM then the 1.8T in 4 cylinder mode 5500 vs 5900 and only 200 more rpm in 6 cylinder mode 6000 vs 62001.8tbeout said:honda service is really much better than vw. honda brakes are super shitty, and as far as the torque beating vw's, thier nubers are at what rpm? and how long do they peak at those numbers??
didnt we have this discussion already???