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The bill provides immunity for AT&T, Verizon Communications and other U.S. telecommunications companies against 40 lawsuits alleging that they violated customers' privacy rights by helping the government's NSA electronic surveillance program conduct an illegal warrantless spying program after the September 11th attacks.[2]

The bill also:[3]

* Prohibits the individual states from investigating, sanctioning of, or requiring disclosure by complicit telecoms or other persons.
* Permits the government to not keep records of searches, and destroy existing records.
* Protects telecommunications companies from lawsuits for "'past or future cooperation' with federal law enforcement authorities and will assist the intelligence community in determining the plans of terrorists."
* Removes requirements for detailed descriptions of the nature of information or property targeted by the surveillance.
* Increased the time allowed for unauthorized or denied surveillance to continue from 72 (48 in some cases) to 168 hours.
* Requires FISA court permission to wiretap Americans who are overseas.
* Prohibits targeting a foreigner to secretly eavesdrop on an American's calls or e-mails without court approval.
* Allows the FISA court 30 days to review existing but expiring surveillance orders before renewing them.
* Allows eavesdropping in emergencies without court approval, provided the government files required papers within a week.
* Prohibits the government from invoking war powers or other authorities to supersede surveillance rules in the future.

The bill would protect telecommunications companies from lawsuits for cooperating for "past or future cooperation" with federal law enforcement authorities and will supposedly assist the intelligence community in determining the plans of terrorists and other evil-doers.


# The provisions of the bill granting immunity to the complicit telecoms create a roadblock for a number of lawsuits intended to expose and thwart the alleged abuses of power and illegal activities of the federal government since and before the September 11th attacks.
# The bill expands the power of the federal government in conducting warrantless surveillance and strips the requirements for judicial oversight, effectively enabling unlimited government surveillance of any citizen of the United States for any reason.
# Allows the government to conduct unapproved warrantless surveillance of any person for up to one week (168 hours) without any judicial oversight
 

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The Feds should be sued instead of them anyway, the Feds aremaking the requirement, not the telecomms.
 

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Bush speaking on this now......


Provisions

The bill provides immunity for AT&T, Verizon Communications and other U.S. telecommunications companies against 40 lawsuits alleging that they violated customers' privacy rights by helping the government's NSA electronic surveillance program conduct an illegal warrantless spying program after the September 11th attacks.[2]

The bill also:[3]

* Prohibits the individual states from investigating, sanctioning of, or requiring disclosure by complicit telecoms or other persons.
* Permits the government to not keep records of searches, and destroy existing records.
* Protects telecommunications companies from lawsuits for "'past or future cooperation' with federal law enforcement authorities and will assist the intelligence community in determining the plans of terrorists."
* Removes requirements for detailed descriptions of the nature of information or property targeted by the surveillance.
* Increased the time allowed for unauthorized or denied surveillance to continue from 72 (48 in some cases) to 168 hours.
* Requires FISA court permission to wiretap Americans who are overseas.
* Prohibits targeting a foreigner to secretly eavesdrop on an American's calls or e-mails without court approval.
* Allows the FISA court 30 days to review existing but expiring surveillance orders before renewing them.
* Allows eavesdropping in emergencies without court approval, provided the government files required papers within a week.
* Prohibits the government from invoking war powers or other authorities to supersede surveillance rules in the future.

The bill would protect telecommunications companies from lawsuits for cooperating for "past or future cooperation" with federal law enforcement authorities and will supposedly assist the intelligence community in determining the plans of terrorists and other evil-doers.


# The provisions of the bill granting immunity to the complicit telecoms create a roadblock for a number of lawsuits intended to expose and thwart the alleged abuses of power and illegal activities of the federal government since and before the September 11th attacks.
# The bill expands the power of the federal government in conducting warrantless surveillance and strips the requirements for judicial oversight, effectively enabling unlimited government surveillance of any citizen of the United States for any reason.
# Allows the government to conduct unapproved warrantless surveillance of any person for up to one week (168 hours) without any judicial oversight
Could you cite the source for this? The wording is a little interesting.
 

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IMO this isn't as big a deal as they are trying to make out

Good things about the bill
1) It closed many loopholes that allowed the warrentless wiretaps in the first place.
2) Requires further wiretaps to follow at least some process (process isn't perfect but its better than the lack of process before).

Bad things about the bill
1) Provides retroactive immunity to telecoms, it doesn't provide forward immunity though.
2) Expands wiretapping provisions over the old laws, but as I said earlier previously the old laws were ignored completely... :shrug:
 

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The Feds should be sued instead of them anyway, the Feds aremaking the requirement, not the telecomms.

Yeah, but if iirc not everyone(QWEST?) blindly followed.

No worries, like Jon Stewart said, "they do'nt know what you said, only that you called the sex hotline 20times".
 
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