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California allows college aid to illegal immigrants

California allows college aid to illegal immigrants - Yahoo! News

SACRAMENTO (Reuters) - California Governor Jerry Brown on Saturday signed a bill giving illegal immigrant college students access to state-funded financial aid, the second half of two-part legislation known as the "Dream Act."
The controversial measure, which passed the Democrat-controlled legislature on a party-line vote in September, represents a victory for immigrant-rights activists ahead of the 2012 presidential election. California is the nation's most populous state.
Only two other states, Texas and New Mexico, allow illegal immigrants to qualify for state financial aid for college, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.
"Going to college is a dream that promises intellectual excitement and creative thinking," Brown said in a written statement issued by his office.
"The Dream Act benefits us all by giving top students a chance to improve their lives and the lives of all of us," he said.
Brown in July fulfilled a campaign promise by signing into law a companion bill to allow illegal immigrants to receive privately-funded college scholarships. Together the two bills have been dubbed the "California Dream Act."
A federal Dream Act that would have created a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants who attend college or serve in the military failed in Senate last year.
Opponents of the California Dream Act have argued that public funds should not be used to help illegal immigrants, especially as California faces deep budget woes that have prompted cuts in education and higher tuitions at the state's public colleges and universities.
"Citizens are having a hard enough time getting the classes they need now," Assemblyman Tim Donnelly, a Hesperia Republican, wrote in a September 9 letter to Brown urging him to veto the legislation.
"(California already offers) students in the country illegally in-state tuition; legally documented students from the next state over can only dream of such a benefit," Donnelly said.
California is one of about a dozen states that allows illegal immigrants to pay in-state tuition, based on attendance and graduation from a state high school.
Under the new law, written by Senator Gil Cedillo, a Los Angeles Democrat, those same illegal immigrants would be eligible for aid from the University of California, California State university system and the state's 112 community colleges.
They could also apply for Cal Grants, which are cash awards based on academic performance.
For the 2007-2008 academic year, the University of California reports that less than three-tenths of one percent of the system's 220,000 students were immigrants who qualified for in-state tuition.
More than 68 percent of those 1,941 students were U.S. citizens or "documented" immigrants, according to the University of California.
At the state universities, the new law would affect 3,633 students, or less than one percent of the 440,000 students enrolled in the current school year.
Of the nearly 2.9 million community college enrollees, 34,057 would be affected
(Writing by Dan Whitcomb; Editing by Greg McCune)

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Are you f***ing kidding me? Mega facepalm.
 

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What bullshit.

How do they even get this aid. Aid is based on income, and income info comes from taxes. Are illegals paying taxes now?
 

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What bullshit.

How do they even get this aid. Aid is based on income, and income info comes from taxes. Are illegals paying taxes now?
An illegal alien qualifies for in state tuition, however a US citizen that lives in a different state than the school they are attending does not qualify for in state tuition fees, regardless of income level. :crazy:
 

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If an illegal alien is paying state taxes, I don't have an issue with it.
 

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If an illegal alien is paying state taxes, I don't have an issue with it.
Why? 99.99% of illegal aliens have jobs that are paying next to nothing in compensation, even if they were being taxed at 50% (which they aren't anywhere even close to that) the amount of assistance they receive would be far greater than what they are putting back into the system.
 

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Why? 99.99% of illegal aliens have jobs that are paying next to nothing in compensation, even if they were being taxed at 50% (which they aren't anywhere even close to that) the amount of assistance they receive would be far greater than what they are putting back into the system.
So now you want to make in-residence breaks based on the amount of taxes people pay in a state? Slippery slope there.
 

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Same as we pay our property tax for the ISD's who takes the illegal immigrants kids who does not pay any tax.

Pure politics :(
 

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Where I am speaking from is my wife have a i20 Student VISA and we are working in getting her a full one.

Issues she has: it is SO f'en hard to get a green card. We have spent over $2,000.00 in fees and spent over 65 hours filling out paperwork. All we want to do is let her WORK and pay taxes like everyone else. We got married in April and didn't start the paperwork until late June. We are still waiting for the doctor appointments, finger printing, 3 levels of interviews, ID's made and at least one court appearance that I know of.

The i20 VISA do not allow them to work in the US at all. period. So, you can guess how they have to get by. in VCU, 1/3 of the student has i20s. that is a lot of people waiting to work legally and the government here will not let them. There is even a 'support group' in VCU run by students to try to find jobs under the table.

I think it is BS that the illegal immigrants will get state aid and instate tuition. Hell, Haoyi and I are married and she still doesn't get instate tuition because she has an i20 VISA (trying to do things the right way). If she has a work permit (which you can't get if your a student) she will get the instate tuition according to the links above.

BTW, no, she doesn't have to pay even taxes on her car; but she does anyways because it is the "right thing".

Everyone should be taxed the same. That is just how i feel. then again, I am not a economic specialist. I know my words mean crap on this subject.
 

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Same as we pay our property tax for the ISD's who takes the illegal immigrants kids who does not pay any tax.

Pure politics :(
If they pay a rent, they pay property taxes. Some states, Michigan for one, even allow the renter and not the owner of the property to deduct the property taxes paid off their state income taxes.
 

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If they pay a rent, they pay property taxes. Some states, Michigan for one, even allow the renter and not the owner of the property to deduct the property taxes paid off their state income taxes.
I assume your are talking about indirectly, because I rent and pay not property tax. The building owners pays the property tax.


Urlik, you seem like your all for this, I guess I don't understand, these people are here illegally, what part of that is hard to understand, they don't deserve to have the sames right that people like me that have gone through the system to be here legally get.
 

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I assume your are talking about indirectly, because I rent and pay not property tax. The building owners pays the property tax.
He does physically pay it, but its out of the rent proceeds you give him. In other words the structure's property taxes are part of your rent. He doesn't pay it out of the goodness of his heart and not include its cost in setting rent prices. As I said, states like Michigan even recognize this fact and allow the renter to deduct property taxes off their state income taxes.


Urlik, you seem like your all for this, I guess I don't understand, these people are here illegally, what part of that is hard to understand, they don't deserve to have the sames right that people like me that have gone through the system to be here legally get.
Yeah, my wife thinks I'm on crack over this one too but state laws over this are always about living in the state and paying taxes there. Try keeping your Texas residency for a couple years while your living in Montana then sending your daughter to Midwestern State. You'll pay out state tuition. I know I did this. We couldn't move her to in-state rates until we'd proven living in the state for one year prior. Ultimately I don't see it as a right but as a privilege given to those who pay taxes in the state they reside in. That's where we differ, a right vs a privilege.
 

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Ultimately I don't see it as a right but as a privilege given to those who pay taxes in the state they reside in. That's where we differ, a right vs a privilege.
It applies to those who reside in the state they reside in, paying taxes is immaterial. I suspect this is one of the ways CA politicians rationalized it.
 

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It applies to those who reside in the state they reside in, paying taxes is immaterial. I suspect this is one of the ways CA politicians rationalized it.
How do you reside in a state and not pay some tax to the state?
 

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So now you want to make in-residence breaks based on the amount of taxes people pay in a state? Slippery slope there.
No, I'm simply stating that the amount of tax money paid by illegals, does not even come somewhat close to what they will be receiving in aid.
 

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How do you reside in a state and not pay some tax to the state?
Some tax, yes. But limited for the segment we're mainly talking about...no income tax, no real estate taxes (direct), limited sales tax (food exempt).
 

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I pay limited tax in ND. I don't pay income tax here, I don't register my vehicle here, I rarely buy gas in ND, I buy all my cloth in MN as clothes are tax free there. About the only thing I pay tax on food, and only food that is taxable and I don't buy alot of that. Just an example.
 

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I pay limited tax in ND. I don't pay income tax here, I don't register my vehicle here, I rarely buy gas in ND, I buy all my cloth in MN as clothes are tax free there. About the only thing I pay tax on food, and only food that is taxable and I don't buy alot of that. Just an example.
hmmm, sounds like some illegal choices going on there.
 

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I pay limited tax in ND. I don't pay income tax here, I don't register my vehicle here, I rarely buy gas in ND, I buy all my cloth in MN as clothes are tax free there. About the only thing I pay tax on food, and only food that is taxable and I don't buy alot of that. Just an example.
All very common in border town situations, exceptions that all wash out.

Add on the right to vote maybe?
 
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