Okay, here's the deal. A friend of mine has a civic and is claiming that he could get 200 extra hp bringin him somewhere up to 330 just by getting a huge ass turbo, sleeving the engine, and a few other mods. My question is, wouldnt' that be too much for such a small engine? Its my understanding that sleeving will only protect the pistons (?) and to me it'd seem that you'd hafta do a lot more than that. Am I completely off mark here or does he have a point?
+200 hp gain for a '99 civic??? skepticism....
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Yeah 330hp is nothing. It won't be the same reliable honda engine anymore and forget about driving it on the street. Damn thing will leave you stranded you can count on that.
Mechanically I don't know if he can achieve those gains by just the mods you listed, but 330hp is very attainable.
Mechanically I don't know if he can achieve those gains by just the mods you listed, but 330hp is very attainable.
Oh boy, your friend is VERY CORRECT :wink: . Honda motors have a HUGE after market following, so there are plenty of products that make boosting those motors just as reliable as any 1.8t. I had a civic hatch that I swapped a bone stock LS motor into. I then turbocharged it on 10psi. She made right at 260whp or about 305crank hp. I have since sold the car, but she is still running with perfect comp. to this day and burns NO oil. Its all in the tuning. Make sure he goes with hondata for engine managment or something that offers EMS capabilites. He needs to get bigger injectors and a Walbro 255lph fuel pump. Tell him NOT to use FMU's as they are very inconsistent and unreliable. Now, I made all of the power on a stock motor 
, imagine what could be done on a built and sleeved motor. The average sleeve you put in those motors are designed to handle about 60psi of boost, so you dont' have to worry about cracking them from pressure 8) . Then you throw the forged rods and pistons in there and I would expect now less than 450whp on race gas and 350whp on pump gas. Oh, and as long as you have a good machine shop and build the motor to handle the rpms you will be revving, I would expect it to last a good 6years at those hp levels. Do note though, sleeving is very expensive. You have to buy a spare block and ship it to the sleeving company so they can install the sleeves. Then you have to get your forged rods/pistons. Then most people polish the crank and have everything knife edged and balanced. Then new bearings need to go in along with APR headstuds and in a lot of cases while the head is off, most people with get it ported, have a valve job done, and sometimes go on and build the head as well. Then replace with all new gaskets and whatnot. Once it is all said and done, you will drop about $6k on your average built motor and upwards of $10k on awesome setups. However, with $6k into your motor, you could handle 500+whp. With $10k, along the lines of 700+whp. Its all in the amount of $$$ you want to spend. However, your motor will always only last as long as how good your tune is, so make sure he doesn't skimp on fuel management
, imagine what could be done on a built and sleeved motor. The average sleeve you put in those motors are designed to handle about 60psi of boost, so you dont' have to worry about cracking them from pressure 8) . Then you throw the forged rods and pistons in there and I would expect now less than 450whp on race gas and 350whp on pump gas. Oh, and as long as you have a good machine shop and build the motor to handle the rpms you will be revving, I would expect it to last a good 6years at those hp levels. Do note though, sleeving is very expensive. You have to buy a spare block and ship it to the sleeving company so they can install the sleeves. Then you have to get your forged rods/pistons. Then most people polish the crank and have everything knife edged and balanced. Then new bearings need to go in along with APR headstuds and in a lot of cases while the head is off, most people with get it ported, have a valve job done, and sometimes go on and build the head as well. Then replace with all new gaskets and whatnot. Once it is all said and done, you will drop about $6k on your average built motor and upwards of $10k on awesome setups. However, with $6k into your motor, you could handle 500+whp. With $10k, along the lines of 700+whp. Its all in the amount of $$$ you want to spend. However, your motor will always only last as long as how good your tune is, so make sure he doesn't skimp on fuel management
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anything is possible with money...
i added about 90whp to my Civic Si after i installed the JRSC at 10psi, but i had that thing worked pretty well... that was a conservative boost level... at 20+psi and a big ass IC, 330 hp from a Bseries engine is a joke...
i added about 90whp to my Civic Si after i installed the JRSC at 10psi, but i had that thing worked pretty well... that was a conservative boost level... at 20+psi and a big ass IC, 330 hp from a Bseries engine is a joke...
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but putting that power down is the real problem... :crazy:
that's nuts!! damn... it sucks to be wrong lol
on the good side, with all the high dollar prices you guys are talking about, i don't think i should be worried that he's going to have a chance to catch up to my 1.8T anytime soon..... vrooooooom
on the good side, with all the high dollar prices you guys are talking about, i don't think i should be worried that he's going to have a chance to catch up to my 1.8T anytime soon..... vrooooooom
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He will beat you with 200whpUCONNB5 said:
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If you're going to make fun of something, you should think about having some clue what you're talking about first
You think a 1.8L turbocharged VW engine is going to have torque characterstics much different from a 1.6L-2.2L turbocharged Honda engine? In reality, you can build a Honda that will have more horsepower and more torque than your W8 for the same money as a few of your payments, and be 2000lbs lighter. So if cheap acceleration is why you bought your Passat, you made a mistake. So nyah!
You think a 1.8L turbocharged VW engine is going to have torque characterstics much different from a 1.6L-2.2L turbocharged Honda engine? In reality, you can build a Honda that will have more horsepower and more torque than your W8 for the same money as a few of your payments, and be 2000lbs lighter. So if cheap acceleration is why you bought your Passat, you made a mistake. So nyah!
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I just know my friend got his civic up to 500hp, 1/4mile time is 9.32sec
I know, I know. I just don't like the whole idea of just trying to get huge HP. DO you remeber that article here that someone scanned? The car has, what, 450 WHP, but FWD and no limited slip. Good luck trying to get that thing going.Macabre said:If you're going to make fun of something, you should think about having some clue what you're talking about first
You think a 1.8L turbocharged VW engine is going to have torque characterstics much different from a 1.6L-2.2L turbocharged Honda engine? In reality, you can build a Honda that will have more horsepower and more torque than your W8 for the same money as a few of your payments, and be 2000lbs lighter. So if cheap acceleration is why you bought your Passat, you made a mistake. So nyah!
And I bought my Passat because it was a cheap Audi!
Just wait until I get that supercharger...
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